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No... bisexuals PREFER people who are in the gender binary, pansexuals are open to all. It's not transphobic to be bisexual, because it's a preference thing. Some people aren't attracted to trans and that is okay. It doesn't invalidate pan as an actual sexual orientation :/

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I think the first anon was being sarcastic, but it's nice to know someone who doesn't think bisexuality is an excuse to go back to the closet.

Albeit I don't think I've ever heard any bi-identifying person say they weren't attracted to trans people. So pansexual seems to rely on a definition of bisexual that I've never heard any bi person use.

ayrt

I previously identified as bi, fell in love with a transman, and shifted over to pan, so there's at least one of us.

But...your partner is a man, right? That actually sounds like people are trying to draw a line saying trans people are not actually men or women, they're some 'other' which people who identify as being attracted to just men and/or women can't be attracted to. That strikes me as more offensive, not less.

Transman physically, ids as genderqueer. I see your point, though.

This. This idea that trans* are not male or female, and a straight girl can't be attracted to a trans man and still be straight? Just, no. Pansexuality has to include genders other than male and female, not just trans*. Otherwise you're just bi.

Although, realistically, if you're attracted to men and you're attracted to women, you're obviously not too picky about the genders you're attracted to, so why wouldn't you be pansexual?

Many of us are both:

"The BRC uses bisexual as an umbrella term for people who recognize and honor their potential for sexual and emotional attraction to more than one gender (pansexual, fluid, omnisexual, queer, and all other free-identifiers). " - The Bisexual Resource Center

Yeah, if you read the definitions of the major bisexual groups and activists, they're inclusive of more than two gender identities.

Exactly this. I know there are some bi people who are solely attracted to CIS-gendered people, but there are also people who are lesbian, gay, and bisexual who are only attracted to people who are CIS as well. And as a bi person with a lot of bi friends, I can say that the majority of bi people I know (and most major bi organizations) do NOT limit the definition to only include CIS people. I think a lot of the confusion is in the origin of the term and where it comes from, but the usage has since shifted to the bi simply meaning two kinds of attraction, and those two types of attraction in many (if not most) cases are not limited to CIS-gendered female and CIS-gendered male.

Except... it seems like there's something wrong about saying that being straight/gay/bi implies *only* being attracted to cis members of the gender you're attracted to?

I mean. That feels like implying you have to have a special, different orientation to be attracted to someone who is trans*, because they aren't ~really~ of the gender by which they identify. Which... is problematic.

tl;dr: I don't think people who identify as bi are saying that they aren't attracted to trans* people. One could conceivably make that case, I suppose, about genderqueer people, but I would argue that a vast majority of bisexual people don't actually see it as only being attracted to two genders.

I could be wrong, so I don't want to speak for everyone, but this is how I've heard/seen it.

ayrt

Yeah, I.. only meant it about genderqueer people. Sorry for being unclear.

I mean. That feels like implying you have to have a special, different orientation to be attracted to someone who is trans*, because they aren't ~really~ of the gender by which they identify. Which... is problematic.

Gender and sex are different things. Transmen and transwomen may be men and women by gender but that means jack all to somebody who is attracted to a specific sex.

Pretty sure it was sarcastic. But some SJW really do believe that.

I never got how being bisexual was supposed to be transphobic. What about straight and gay people? They must be the devil.
(while not holding that opinion, is there someone who understand it and would explain it to me? I'm genuinly curious.)

Yeah, um, that's not how I define bi, or how anyone else I know in the movement defined bi before the last few years.

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