[ SECRET POST #2169 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2169 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 078 secrets from Secret Submission Post #310.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

You do realize that criticizing these sexist decisions that game creators make actually IS putting forth that effort, right

[saku]

i'm sure game designers all over the world are rushing to heed the embittered cries of a faceless woman gamer on fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.com

go to the industry directly, and try a different approach. they can and often DO listen to consumers, but it's going to take more than this.

[(Anonymous)]

how do you know that people aren't doing more than this?

and how do you know even talking about it on fandomsecrets doesn't make a difference? I used to believe incredibly sexist and harmful things when I was younger. Watching people discuss it through the internet taught me a lot and motivated me to get involved.

[saku]

i'm assuming people would be telling me otherwise if i've responded to them with that sentiment and it has been wrong. few people go beyond the basic online petition because they think they've done their fair share of contributing to change but then most of the time it just stops there. such as it is with a lot of things, not just sexism in the gaming industry.

i'm not saying it doesn't make a difference here, i'm just saying it's not going to make a big splash in the industry. and trust me, that's a given. the gaming industry is brutal. like i said, if you want the creators to hear you out and consider your ideas, don't go through a middleman. go to them.

[(Anonymous)]

You are vastly underestimating the power of the internet.

The industry HAS changed and IS changing BECAUSE people are not shutting up about it in comments, blog posts, e-mails, and everywhere else! More and more creators have direct access to user comments and complaints, and they DO listen. Things like Bioware's response to the outcry at Mass Effect 3's ending or the response to the gross Tomb Raider rape thing.

You're just being condescending at this point. We know what we're doing, and we're not going to stop doing it no matter how pointless you seem to think it is.

[saku]

i'm not asking you to stop, i'm just letting you know that the guys at the top of the food chain in the industry aren't going to be swayed on this issue that easily. knowing that there are more effective ways of invoking change, i just find it moot to be whining anonymously on a secrets community, as if that holds up to actually getting actively involved in the issue from a hands-on perspective.

[insanenoodlyguy]

>and how do you know even talking about it on fandomsecrets doesn't make a difference

http://youtu.be/FopyRHHlt3M

[(Anonymous)]

exactly. the game designers are listening to fans and consumers. but we have to take the conversation to them. they are not going to seek it out.

[(Anonymous)]

But it's already more than this?
I mean, yeah, this post is a single post that's going to last a day on a page nobody sees; but it's one in many, and yeah, after lots of repetitions of the same critic again and again in different places, it's what make people realize that, gosh, a lot of people do care about this issue!

You can see it as the same principle as voting, if you want.

[saku]

voting is way different but i know what you mean.

don't get me wrong, being vocal does get things changed sometimes. but the issue of gender selection for playable characters in the gaming industry, of all industries, is gonna need a little more push than that. it's a male-dominated industry, they don't have much stake in this.

[(Anonymous)]

ahah yeah, voting may not have been he best analogy I could have made.

There is a lot of people working in the industry who have blogs (often even on tumblr, I think I've seen DA's head writer though it'd need fact-checking)and they do listen to what is said on the Internet, since it's an easy way to know how the fanbase reacted to certain things in a game. I remember some designers of Mass Effect talking about how they'd actively look for fanarts of the game to see what the fans remembered the most, what stayed. I think I've also seen an article about the (straight) guy writing the gay romance options (male and female) in ME3 researching people's reaction (still on the Internet) to other gay romances in other games to see what brought positive reactions, what people liked and found believable.