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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-12-22 03:14 pm

[ SECRET POST #2181 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2181 ⌋

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Sit down OP.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-22 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)

Jesus fucking christ. I am so tired of people--predominantly women--bandying around the term 'internalized misogyny.' All it shows, as far as I'm concerned, is the willful ignorance of the fact that it is possible for women to prefer mediums--whether it's video games, art, movies, etc.-- that feature a mostly male cast. And not only that, but that those women can and often do, in fact, still celebrate women in those same mediums, and can be/are still passionate about women's rights, enjoy the company of other women, and who don't automatically resort to gender-specific slurs when referring to women or women characters.

We do exist, I promise. However. What you don't seem to be grasping is the fact that the creator of the above mediums tend to be either a.) heterosexual men or b.) heterosexual women. There are exceptions of course, but the above are in the overwhelming majority. And the truth of the matter is, heterosexual women are more prone to write/create/etc. what they're interested in/sexually attracted to. In this case, men. Straight women enjoy looking at men. Straight men enjoy looking at/drawing/etc. women.

Why is this such a difficult concept? That isn't to say that men and women are incapable of going outside of that mold--and many do, and do it very well! But in general, a largely male cast is going to appeal more to the majority of straight women because that is what they themselves enjoy.

The fact that you and so many SJWs out there are so willing to shame others for these preferences is no better than the loudmouths insisting that there's no such thing as good female characters, or that women have no place in those industries/media forms. Which is bullshit on both accounts.

The point is that you can enjoy female casts and respect women and still not feel the need to shoehorn them into every single medium just for the sake of having more women. Sometimes having women in a certain environment/culture just doesn't make sense. Your stubborn refusal to not even give male-dominated comics/films/etc. is extremely petty and based on groundless assumptions/prejudices you've made. And that's your loss frankly, but tantruming about it all over F!S is really not doing you any favors.

Re: Sit down OP.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
oh shutup

Re: Sit down OP.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
NO U
insanenoodlyguy: (Default)

Re: Sit down OP.

[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2012-12-23 04:29 am (UTC)(link)
You can't silence the truth oppressor.

Re: Sit down OP.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
This. Comment. Is. EPIC. Thank you for saying everything I wanted to - and saying it far better!

Re: Sit down OP.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 10:42 am (UTC)(link)
Epically missing the point.

Re: Sit down OP.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
But in general, a largely male cast is going to appeal more to the majority of straight women because that is what they themselves enjoy.

I'd like to believe that the majority of straight women aren't engaging in non-pornographic media just for sexual titillation! Seriously, what happened to wanting to watch a television show or read a comic book for the sake of a compelling story or good character interaction? How many women prioritize enjoyable gameplay and well-rendered graphics in their video games over being able to stare at a man's backside for several hours straight?

And that's your loss frankly, but tantruming about it all over F!S is really not doing you any favors.

Please calm down -- the OP has only made the one post in this thread in addition to the secret, so they're not throwing a tantrum anymore than anyone else is.

Re: Sit down OP.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 02:59 am (UTC)(link)
I like my games to have good gameplay. But good gameplay sure as hell wasn't the only reason I liked Resident Evil 4 so much.
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Re: Sit down OP.

[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2012-12-23 04:31 am (UTC)(link)
Yeahhhhhhhh nope. They are.

It's not all or nothing. Girls don't go schlick every time they watch Grey's Anatomy.

But I guarantee you all the hot guys on that show did nothing to hurt it's ratings. Rather the opposite.

Why would the media of the mind be any different?

Re: Sit down OP.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
I kinda agree with the "people tend to like drawing what they're attracted to". Even when it isn't porn and even if you're like me and couldn't imagine actually screwing your own characters, you still sorta just like drawing what you're attracted to. *shrug*

Re: Sit down OP.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 03:17 am (UTC)(link)
Straight men enjoy looking at/drawing/etc. women.

Except straight men predominantly write straight men.

Re: Sit down OP.

(Anonymous) 2012-12-23 05:53 am (UTC)(link)
self-insertion fantasies
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Re: Sit down OP.

[personal profile] ariakas 2012-12-23 03:49 am (UTC)(link)
Huh. I didn't know that Infinity Ward and DICE were staffed entirely by straight women, since their games feature almost entirely male casts.

...Oh, wait, no, they're not. They're staffed almost entirely by straight men and your argument is complete horseshit.
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Re: Sit down OP.

[personal profile] logicbutton 2012-12-23 05:55 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe straight women prefer to look at hot men, but it doesn't logically follow that therefore straight women will prefer a comic/movie/show with ten male leads to one with five male and five female.

Also, the OP was specifically talking about casts that have no particular reason to be overwhelmingly male. They didn't say they refuse to give male-dominated things a chance, and yes, there is a difference.