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⌈ Secret Post #2181 ⌋

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Comments

[gabzillaz]

Dreamworks is worse than Pixar when it comes to representation?

In which universe?

Lemme think of PoC characters in Pixar movies... there's the kid in Up and Frozono in the Incredibles... and yeah, that's it.

[(Anonymous)]

Seriously. Pixar is shit when it comes to gender and racial representations.

[iggy]

Lol. I was actually thinking you were the anon.

I legitimately forgot their 2D output. But I just doublechecked and they haven't had any POC characters in movies except for said 2d films, and the last one released was... 2003. They've made eighteen films since then, which is more movies than Pixar has released period. My point stands.

Both companies have a pretty crappy track record though, and Disney's done a lot better than both of them on that front.

[gabzillaz]

It really doesn't. I don't get why people seem to believe Dreamworks only started doing movies with Shrek. Fact is that they have more PoCs than Pixar ever did.

By your logic, the only reason Disney is better is because it's been making movies since the 30s.

[iggy]

Not really, but continue your DW 'stanning.

By your logic, the only reason Disney is better is because it's been making movies since the 30s.

What.

Or the fact that in the last twenty-three years (since Little Mermaid, which kicked off the renaissance), nine out of twenty-five of their movies (and nine out of eighteen that actually star humans) have had POC in lead roles, which while not perfect, is a record that no other Western company can even come close to touching.

[gabzillaz]

And you can continue your irrational Dreamworks hating.

Disney has been making movies for a long time. They have more movies than either Dreamworks or Pixar, which is one of the reasons they have more movies starring POCs.

[iggy]

I don't hate DW. Being willing to point out problems/=/ hating. I love Pixar the most (more than Disney), but didn't I outright say above that they've done a pretty crappy job of including minorities (whereas you can't seem to do the same for DW)?

Disney has made less movies in the past twenty years (which is what I was pulling the POC number from) than DW has made in the whole of its existence. Pixar is the same. You can't go by number of years when DW puts out multiple films a year and the others put out only one (if that). It gives an inaccurate ratio.

Disney in the last twenty years- twenty-two movies, nine POC leads.
Dreamworks since their inception- twenty-five movies, two POC leads.

Or even-
Disney since 1998 (which is the year DW released its first film)- seventeen films, six POC leads.
DW since 1998- See above.

This doesn't include Disney's fairies franchise, which has Latina, Asian, and black characters.

Disney's been around a longer time, but by ratio of film they've still done better on the ethnic minority (and female lead) front. I don't even see how this is an argument. They've been the most progressive Western animation studio when it comes to inclusion by far.

[gabzillaz]

And I don't mindless stan Dreamworks, I'm well aware of its faults. So stop accusing me of things and I'll return the favour.

We can go by the amount of movies, which is what you were using against Dreamworks in comparison to Pixar. Disney has made more movies than Dreamworks, so yeah, they have more PoC. But this logic is faulty, since a lot of early Disney films were made in a time were a PoC lead would have been unlikely.

DW has had Prince of Egypt (no white person in sight), Joseph, Sinbad, Spirit and the Road to el Dorado. And if they don't change the source material, The True Meaning of Smekday will have a poc female lead. Pixar has the two characters that I mentioned. I was arguing against your "Pixar is better than Dreamworks in representation" No, they really aren't.

[(Anonymous)]

The first three things that come to mind when I think Dreamworks are Spirit, El Dorado, and (though non-animated) Paulie. Interesting contrast to the point above that with Disney it's the more diverse ones that get shunted to the side.

[gabzillaz]

That's an interesting thought. I think one of the main reasons Disney movies with PoC are ignored is because they weren't the successes Disney was expecting them to be.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry for posting to this old post, going through my f!w backlog now, but omg, Dreamworks is going to make a Smekday movie? I had no idea. Man, I LOVED that book! Though I listened to the audiobook and the narrator (Bahni Turpin) was just. Amazing. As J.Lo, and I can only hope whoever voices him in the movie will do nearly as good a job.


(Again, sorry for posting to a dead thread, but again, LOVE for that book but no one to talk about it with.)

[gabzillaz]

I don' mind! Yes, Dreamworks is doing the adaptation of the book. The voices have already been cast, I think Rihanna is doing the girl's voice, we'll see how that goes.

[(Anonymous)]

True. They're far from perfect, but they're trying. Prince of Egypt, anyone?

[iggy]

They tried back in 1998. What have they done since then? They haven't had an ethnic minority in a major role since 2002. :(