[ SECRET POST #2183 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2183 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Sorry for late, overslept.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

legitimate question

i only see discussion about these pronouns and stuff in english. how would people deal with very grammatically gendered languages? like, i speak a language where almost everything is gendered, including verbs. 99% of the time it's literally impossible to talk about someone without assigning them a gender. you'd have to invent not only new pronouns, but an entirely new set of grammar rules. what then?

[kruger]

other languages ain't got time for this shit

[(Anonymous)]

Laughed. Would laugh again.

[kruger]

only 4 u

[(Anonymous)]

for real

[(Anonymous)]

As an English speaker studying German and Latin, I've gotten the impression that linguistic gender does not necessarily have a great deal of connection to real actual gender of the noun (see Mark Twain's "The Tale of the Fishwife and Its Sad Fate"). Maybe having to tack one of three genders onto everything makes it seem less important that the gender may not fit the identity? I don't know what I'm talking about.

[dratinis]

I pilfered this from the Wikipedia link another user posted below, and I feel like it's relevant to your question:

"Like most efforts at language reform, these well-intended suggestions have been largely ignored by the general English-speaking public, and the project to supplement the English pronoun system has proved to be an ongoing exercise in futility. Pronouns are one of the most basic components of a language, and most speakers appear to have little interest in adopting invented ones. This may be because in most situations people can get by using the plural pronoun they or using other constructions that combine existing pronouns, such as he/she or 'he or she'."

Like you, my mother tongue is also heavily gendered, and I have a feeling that inventing neutral pronouns is something that wouldn't really... do much. As in, I feel like it's something that would be disregarded because that's not really the way the language works. That's not to say that evolution CAN'T happen, but if everything about linguistics I've learned is correct, language evolution is something that happens kind of slowly.

[(Anonymous)]

Russian technically allows you to refer to a human using the pronoun оно and requisite neutral conjugations (which, outside of the past tense and the nominative case, are identical to masculine conjugations). I've never seen that practiced, but I also haven't read much about the genderqueer movement in Russia.

Russian names are also gendered, so I'm unsure what a genderqueer person would do in order to express a "neutral" identity.

[(Anonymous)]

Оно sounds fucking weird when applied to a human, and my first association is with the film "The Silence of the Lambs". I don't think anyone would like to be reffered to in a neuter.

And, sadly, there's no significant genderqueer movement in Russia. Those who are genderqueer usually don't give a fuck about pronouns because they have greater problems than that or simply got accustomed to being called anything people consider normal.