[ SECRET POST #2183 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2183 ⌋

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Notes:

Sorry for late, overslept.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

If it's a fic featuring a genderqueer individual, or exploring gender issues, I'm fine with it, because it's respectful to use those pronouns in those cases.

The stuff you're describing sounds like people trying to showoff about how politically correct they are and looking for problems where there aren't any.

[(Anonymous)]

I find, that the whole pronouns topic tends to get very, very, angry at times.

[femme_androgyne]

This is my take. I see refusing to use the pronouns that the character uses *in canon* as roughly on par with the shippers* who insist on making characters who have canon het relationships gay/lesbian to facilitate their preferred pairing. Just say the character is bi or making an exception, or acknowledge that it's complicated. Or, here's a novel thought, don't label their sexuality at all. Those are all better options that are more in line with their canon portrayal, and thus, more ic. I feel the same way about pronouns. If someone shoehorns in gender neutral ones even though they're contradicted by canon, I generally assume that they don't care much about the actual canon characterization of the characters, and if they don't care, then I'm not interested in their fic.

*I read primarily slash and femmeslash; I'm also a lesbian.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a lesbian and I've had several relationships with men that were important to me at the time and not totally miserable- I just get on with women better and have no interest in dating men again. So I can actually understand if someone writes a character who was in a canon het pair as gay.

(Depending on the het pair, of course. If they're absolutely dripping with attraction and go through hell for each other, they probably shouldn't be written as gay. But not every het pair has a super deep, meaningful relationship.)

[femme_androgyne]

It bothers me mostly because it's treated as the default by a lot of (femme)slashers. There are some characters I can see writing that way, depending on their canon relationships, like you said, but it does bug me when I'm looking for fic about a character with a long string of relationships with people of the opposite sex (Dean Winchester, for example), and every other fic labels them gay/lesbian instead of taking any of the other perfectly valid options I already outlined.

ETA: All I'm really trying to say is that lack of attention to canon characterization (whether it's the pronouns a character uses or the sexuality they exhibit) bugs me. In some cases, obviously, you could come up with an interpretation that takes canon into account but doesn't fit the labels most people would end up using for a character (Heck, I'm sure there are characters who are agendered or non-binary gendered who you could have "discover" pronouns that fit them better while still remaining in character). Usually, though, it just seems to me like something authors do when they're either careless/unwilling to address the canon that doesn't fit their view or when they don't care about canon, which is up to them. They don't owe me--or anyone else--anything, obviously. But I do care about canon, and I don't owe their work special attention or readership, either.

[(Anonymous)]

This. I'm always going to prefer "they" for both singular and plural, but if a person or character prefers something else, that's what I'll use. If a writer invents a character whose non-binary gender is a focus and wants to use something else, I might cringe because that's not my first choice, but that's fine. But using something more out of the blue? Yeah, I think you've hit it here.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. I think it's interesting to explore the gender of characters in fic - especially ones that aren't human and wouldn't necessarily fall under human gender roles or characters that are actually genderqueer. But unless the fic is about the aforementioned characters or some kind of AU/AR in which a canon character is genderqueer, it seems kind of pretentious and try hard to use GNPs just to make some sort of statement or prove that you're open-minded or whatever.