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Literary piracy

[(Anonymous)]

I know, f!s, it's an inflammatory topic, so I'm sorry beforehand for the wank that may ensue.

But I just calculated that the total price of my electronic library is something around 10k pounds.

No way I would be able to afford this. Almost everything that lies there is pirated. IDK if I should feel ashamed, but it wouldn't be possible for me to read that much without downloading stuff illegally.

(and I never pirate software and not that much into films. Only literature)

Re: Literary piracy

[tamabonotchi]

The real question is, where are you getting all of these books?

Re: Literary piracy

[(Anonymous)]

Well, we have a pretty big online pirate library in our language, because here the piracy laws don't really work (still they use an international hosting) and about everyone who uses Internet at all is a pirate.

And then there're torrents, of course. Piratebay is very useful; besides, there're local sites that give away books in English (which UK and Americans don't know about, because nobody thinks of looking for English literature on foreign torrents and because it's illegal anyway).

And also if you just type the book's title in Google you can often get something valid.

Re: Literary piracy

[(Anonymous)]

Piratebay; thanks. I'll use that search term next time I'm looking for illegal stuff to issue DMCAs on. I have friends who write, and they get very, very pissed off when people steal their intellectual property.

A year's work, and nothing at all to show for it, all so some poor little person (who can afford an e-reader!) doesn't have to pay for an e-book - which probably costs less than a coffee.

Use the goddam public library.

Re: Literary piracy

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah piratebay is gonna give a fuck about your dmca. You are a real voice of authority on this issue considering you don't know what piratebay is.

Pretty sure only people who represent holders or actually hold the copyright can report it anyway.

Re: Literary piracy

[ariakas]

Yep. The Pirate Bay is going to care so much about the DMCAs you issue, too.

Lol. They've even summarized it for you: "we used to have a nice graph here, but it's simpler to just say: 0 torrents has been removed, and 0 torrents will ever be removed."

Re: Literary piracy

[(Anonymous)]

>issuing DMCA on TPB
HA
HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA
Good luck bb

Re: Literary piracy

[(Anonymous)]

I tend to be more lenient about piracy than some people, but I think that it has its good as well as its bad points. There are a lot of books (and movies and tv show and cds) that I wouldn't have bought if I hadn't seen them online first. The video that Neil Gaiman did on literary piracy actually sums up my feelings on the matter - torrents and downloads, in a lot of cases, function like friends loaning each other books.

Re: Literary piracy

[(Anonymous)]

I have a ton of pirated stuff and I'm not even sorry. I am flat broke and I resent the implication that I'm not allowed to have entertainment just because I'm poor. Besides, the fact piracy even exists gives me faith in humanity - there are a ton of people out there who risk fines and possible jail time just to give a bunch of strangers things for free, and there's no tangible benefit to those who do it.

That aside, without being able to pirate things, I've no idea if I'd want to spend my money on something, and chances are that I'm not going to risk wasting it on something that might be crap. When I have the money, I totally plan to get legitimate copies of the things I've pirated that I like because I understand that the creators rely on that revenue to make a living. But right now, they're not getting my money either way because I have none to give.

Society shames me enough for being poor; I'm not going to add internal guilt just because I found a different way to obtain entertainment.

Re: Literary piracy

[tabaqui]

+1

Re: Literary piracy

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, the old "I'm poor therefore I deserve it" argument. You don't "deserve" entertainment. People did things for fun before there were precious animoos and downloadable music. Go to the library and get a book. Borrow some DVDs from a friend. You don't "deserve" shit. Entertainment is a -luxury- item. Please, feel free to explain to the police why you shoplifted a DVD because you deserve to have movie night. And don't even try to tell me it's not the same thing. Theft is theft. Just because your favorite form of thievery is 1's and 0's doesn't make it okay.

And I love the "I'm going to buy it when I have money!" argument. Out of 100 people I've heard say that, maybe 2 at most do it. I would love to be proven wrong about that, because it might give me some more faith in humanity again.

I'm sorry you're in a bad financial situation now, I really am. I've been there and it sucks. But this entitled attitude bullshit is so fucking old. You only deserve basic human rights, and none of that includes making sure you have things to entertain yourself with.

Re: Literary piracy

[(Anonymous)]

it's different.

and make me number 3, because now that i have a job i've been slowly buying the books back. granted most are from secondhand stores, but i'm getting there.

Re: Literary piracy

[(Anonymous)]

It is different because no one actually loses money on those ones and zeroes except hypothetically. But you're talking about people who would not have access or be able to afford it anyway so what is your argument even?

And even if piracy did seriously hurt the entertainment industry that would be a GOOD thing because it would force them to change the way they do business to survive.

Re: Literary piracy

[(Anonymous)]

I live in a place where things either don't arrive at all or do so at outrageous prices.
Once I wanted to buy the mp3 from a band I love and I couldn't, because there is some stupid law that didn't let me even if it was something virtual and it shouldn't matter where I fucking live. I eventually got the CDs from Amazon, because it's my favourite band ever, but I have heard of people having trouble with things shipped here, having to pay loads at customs because our Government sucks, so I don't dare to buy anything else (not taking into account convertibility rates of my currency, that make everything in dollars 5 times more expensive)

Sooo, I'm not even sorry. If I lived someplace else I'd love to buy more things. But after the hours I lost trying to BUY those mp3s, when downloading them would have taken me minutes... well, it's kinda obvious what I prefer.

Re: Literary piracy

[(Anonymous)]

I mostly pirate a fuckton of textbooks, because my country has shitty colleges with worse libraries. Zero guilt on my part because they're all incredibly overpriced anyway. And fuck their fucking editions that change like two pages if that.

Re: Literary piracy

[(Anonymous)]

I both pirate and make things available to pirate. It's not fair that I and others cannot access or afford thing legitmately. We're not racing horses for fuck sake, we just want a book or a game or even shit available everywhere but where we live.

Think of it as a lending library online. Someone bought a hard copy and is sharing it with the world

Re: Literary piracy

[silverau]

I only pirate things I don't have access to get otherwise. I don't pirate books. You can get used paperbacks super cheap at bookstores, and if that's not an option, you can at least go to a bookstore and read there. Plus, unless they're super big, writers don't make a lot of money in the first place.

Re: Literary piracy

[(Anonymous)]

So travelling to a secondary location to read something for free makes it morally superior?

Re: Literary piracy

[(Anonymous)]

I see it as the same as getting books from the library.

Re: Literary piracy

[(Anonymous)]

The library contributes stats piracy doesn't.

Re: Literary piracy

[(Anonymous)]

Do they really? Tangibly? Actually curious. It's still lots of people getting a lot of uses out of the one book. I know that in the gaming industry, selling games second-hand undercuts heaps of the profits. Is the publishing industry comparable?

Re: Literary piracy

[(Anonymous)]

Public lending right.

Re: Literary piracy

[(Anonymous)]

in the spirit of sharing

my favourite first. The Metropolitan Museum of Art has 14 free ebooks on art in different cultures/times
http://www.metmuseum.org/learn/for-educators/publications-for-educators
I've bookmarked it. It was 12 free ebooks when I first found it.

more ebooks!
http://readabookson.tumblr.com/
http://ebookcollective.tumblr.com/

Re: Literary piracy

[ariakas]

Eh, I don't pirate because my local library is pretty good about stocking ebooks. If I really like an author I'll buy a new book at full price because I can afford to, but there's just no way I would do that without giving their work a test-drive through the library first.

[therangerking]

I pirate a whole lot of ebooks. I read them. If I like them? I buy the hardcopy.

Piracy is like an indirect publicity tool, for me. Because if I like a book? I WANT IT ON MY ACTUAL BOOKSHELF.