[ SECRET POST #2185 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2185 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 034 secrets from Secret Submission Post #312.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I read somewhere that, in the movie, Ori is actually supposed to be the youngest. He's got more of a beard than Kili.

don't read if you don't want spoilers, but....

[(Anonymous)]

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Fili

choice excerpts:

Fíli (TA 2859 - TA 2941) and Kíli (TA 2864 - TA 2941) are brothers, the youngest of the thirteen Dwarves who set out on Thorin Oakenshield's quest along with Gandalf and Bilbo Baggins to reclaim the Lonely Mountain (Erebor) for the Dwarves.

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Younger brother to Fili, Kili is a loyal nephew to Thorin Oakenshield.

Re: don't read if you don't want spoilers, but....

[(Anonymous)]

I thought that was the case in the books, yeah. But to be fair to AYRT, I think that the film strongly suggests that Ori is the youngest (ie - if I remember correctly - the Goblin King says something to the effect that they'll start torturing the youngest of the company first and the camera immediately cuts to Ori looking frightened).

Re: don't read if you don't want spoilers, but....

[(Anonymous)]

NTAYRT

Ori is among the youngest, but not the youngest overall. It's common knowledge among fans of dwarves that the length of beard depends upon age. If Kili had actually had some sort of deformity to keep him from growing a beard, he'd likely be shunned by other dwarves, and considering the limited amount of female dwarves, probably be unable to take a wife among his own kind.

Re: don't read if you don't want spoilers, but....

[(Anonymous)]

I'm pretty sure Tolkien never actually made any remarks about age = length of beard.

That would certainly make Bombur oldest of them.

Re: don't read if you don't want spoilers, but....

[(Anonymous)]

"It's common knowledge among fans of dwarves that the length of beard depends upon age."

Any canonical basis? Honestly wondering.

Re: don't read if you don't want spoilers, but....

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Common fan knowledge? Not really.

Common fan theory? That's more like it.

Re: don't read if you don't want spoilers, but....

[(Anonymous)]

What you posted refers to the book.

The information I mentioned refers to the movie.

Re: don't read if you don't want spoilers, but....

[dazzledfirestar]

You mean the books the movies are based on, yes?

This is true of many fandoms but it seems completely reasonable to fill in any blanks in movie canon with the facts from the canon it is based on.

[(Anonymous)]

Fili and Kili are repeatedly referred to as the youngest of the dwarves in multiple movie sources (and the original book, as well). Ori is young but it still older than the two.

People are probably citing the shot focusing on Ori and the Goblin king said the "start with the youngest". While he isn't the youngest, he would have definitely been among the firsts.