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⌈ Secret Post #2187 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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09. [WARNING for rape, sexual assault, gore]

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I said ACTUAL rape scenes, not mentions of rape. There's a difference.

Thanks for proving my point.

[(Anonymous)]

*eyeroll*

NTAYRT, but seriously, shrugging off "mentions" of rape the way you just did is what trivializing rape means. Thanks for proving the OP's point.

[(Anonymous)]

I asked for ACTUAL rape scenes.

Implying that the series is FILLED with rape would imply that there is ACTUAL rape going on, not just mentions of it.

[(Anonymous)]

Mentions and implications are quite enough to make me feel sick to my stomach, dear.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, sweeetheart, but you're still not answering the actual question.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, that's fine for you, but he was asking for specific incidences of rape scenes, not the vague mention at some point that a character somewhere in the story was raped, maybe.

[(Anonymous)]

Holy shit, did you just pull out the "actual rape" card? So what, it has to have at least two paragraphs dedicated to the act and how horrible it is before you'll let someone say it creeped them out?

[(Anonymous)]

Are you really that dense?

A character mentioning rape doesn't qualify as a rape scene anymore than a character threatening to shoot someone qualifies as a scene where someone is shot. Yes Westeros is a crapsack world where rape is a reality but the scenes of actual rape are minimal.

Be creeped out all you want, that's your prerogative, but don't make it sound like it's worse than it is.

[(Anonymous)]

Can't you look up some pornography for that on your own?

[(Anonymous)]

Prove there's a difference.

[(Anonymous)]

Prove that there's not.

[(Anonymous)]

Ummm...

Actual rape scene is a scene with rape in it, a mention of rape isn't...?

[(Anonymous)]

Except there is a rape. And it's mentioned.

[(Anonymous)]

*bangs head against wall*

Yes, there is rape. Obviously.

But an example like "Cersei says that the Septas deserve a good raping" isn't a rape scene in and out of itself.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, but this doesn't count, because of reasons. /insane troll logic

[(Anonymous)]

They're not actual, detailed rape scenes, but the implication that women are being raped and the implied, constant threat of sexual violence is enough to make me incredibly uncomfortable. Just because you don't read about it in graphic detail doesn't mean that the implications aren't enough to make people want to steer clear. The idea that just because there aren't a bunch of scenes describing graphic rapes involving main characters, then that means people shouldn't be bothered that rape seems to be such a common thing in the world within the books, is ridiculous. It's okay if people like the books and if they aren't bothered by it, but people are affected differently by different things. If it bothers some it's not because they're being overly-sensitive or a "wet blanket" for not wanting to read about a world where women are routinely raped and threatened with sexual violence; that's like saying that anyone who reads and enjoys the books is supporting rape. Both are ridiculous positions to take.

Rape happens in the real world, yes, but I'd really rather not see constant mentions of it used to make a world more "gritty" or "dark". The fact that people are fighting and killing one another would be quite enough for that. This is a personal preference.

[(Anonymous)]

This.

I hate when people make the excuse that the rape has to be there because it's "more realistic that way" or he's "subverting tropes." No, he's just adding rape to make the books sensational and as OTT as possible. The rape/murder is there for the same reasons other silly fantasy tropes exist: to entertain, not to make some kind of "statement."

[(Anonymous)]

That's one of the things that bugs me about it the most, honestly. Most of the time when someone says that all the mentions of rape bother them or that they're turned off by other elements of the book, people will jump all over them and claim that the only reason they don't like it is because they just don't get it or what GRRM was going for, like the way they view the material is somehow wrong because it's different. And it's really not. I don't want to read about that shit, but I'm not saying that anyone who does read the books and enjoys them is a bad person. You're not wrong for liking it and I'm not wrong for not liking it, so please stop trying to convince me I'm a "wet blanket" for not enjoying something that makes me uncomfortable.

nayrt

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not saying that anyone who does read the books and enjoys them is a bad person.

But a lot of the people with your feelings about the books themselves are saying (or passive-aggressively implying) that. Anyone who talks about not understanding why they're so popular or how anyone could like a story with so much rape is pretty much saying that. There's a lot of it going on in this very thread, in fact. That's my only problem; I couldn't care less if someone likes the books personally or not.

[fuchsiascreams]

I completely agree with the point you made here. I think the problem is that a lot of people who don't like the books/show for that reason (which is totally okay, there's nothing wrong with that), are also trying to imply that people who DO like the books/movie are shitty people who are rape fetishists, rape apologists, and complete assholes.

[(Anonymous)]

I hate when people make the excuse that the rape has to be there because it's "more realistic that way" or he's "subverting tropes." No, he's just adding rape to make the books sensational and as OTT as possible. The rape/murder is there for the same reasons other silly fantasy tropes exist: to entertain, not to make some kind of "statement."

And you know this...how? You can read his mind?

Because I and many others who have read the books didn't interpret things that way at all. I'm not sure what makes you so sure that you're correct.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you honestly think that medieval life was like ASoIaF in terms of constant danger, murder, and rape? Do you really think it's not in the books purely for entertainment and excitement?

[(Anonymous)]

... rape and murder aren't "silly fantasy tropes," they're an accurate representation of what many medieval societies were like. Whether you like it or not, it did happen, and it's ridiculous to try to pretend that it didn't.

[(Anonymous)]

They're not saying they DIDN'T happen. They're saying they'd rather not read about it.

They're not telling you to not read it. They're saying they'd rather not read about it.

They're not saying GRRM didn't do his reasearch. They're saying saying they'd rather not read about it.

They're not saying GRRM is a perv (well, some people are saying that). They're saying they'd rather not read about it.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't mean that rape and murder are silly fantasy tropes, I mean that, in GRRM's books, rape and murder serve the same purpose as silly fantasy tropes do: to entertain. Westeros is not any more "true to medieval life" than Merlin stories are. I don't know why fans of these books can't accept that.