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It's fiction. Do you think that someone that writes a murder mystery is going to go out and murder IRL? No? Then why is this different?

What about someone writing stories about raping children? What about people who read and fap to stories of children being raped? What about people who write stories about screwing sheep? What about people who read and fap to stories about screwing sheep?

Oh it's all fiction, it's all okay, we are all special snowflakes who must never be shamed.

What about the singer in Cardiff that got arrested for arranging to rape an infant? I wonder what sort of sites he visited? I wonder what sort of things were hanging out on his harddrive? I suppose it was just his kink and oh no, he shouldn't be shamed for that. He's a special snowflake like all the rest of us.

lol Just wow. You're just as bad as those morons who think violent games make children kill people. It must be drafty up on that pillar darling, that inflated head of yours is probably going to make you fall from it soon. Would you like a blanket and some hot chocolate to console you, you wilting flower?

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Typical SJW response, tbh. You sound twelve.

And you sound like a troll. Instead of tossing around an insult, why don't you debunk their part of the debate? Nobody so far has made it clear how this is different from calling gamers (or actors playing a murderer) an actual murderer.

OP says he wants to do this IRL. That clear enough for you? Keep going with your denial of reality and bad attitude tho (if you're AIRT, you started with the insults), if you think that is what is going to move this discussion forward.

reread the secret. He's looking for someone with the same kink, a consenting adult, who isn't his actual relative. So no, he isn't actually "doing this IRL" because it's not actual incest.

What about someone writing stories about raping children?
Fiction, and not always meant to be about getting someone off. (In fact, it's often meant to EXPOSE the horrors of abuse.)

What about people who read and fap to stories of children being raped?
Creepy, but still a fictional child, and much preferable to actually going out and raping a child.

What about people who write stories about screwing sheep?
Fiction.

What about people who read and fap to stories about screwing sheep?
Fiction. Doesn't mean they're going to actually screw a sheep.

Oh it's all fiction, it's all okay, we are all special snowflakes who must never be shamed.
But it IS fiction. Nobody is actually getting murdered, nobody is actually getting raped, nobody is actually engaging in bestiality. And in some of these cases, they might actually be using it to cope with something, as I am.

Not every person that reads a murder mystery is going to kill someone. Not every person that reads a story about rape is going to rape someone (or is even doing it to be turned on).

I seriously hope you've never, ever, ever enjoyed any fiction that contains anything illegal in it, because based on what you're saying you're just as guilty of it. Ever read something with murder in it? You're a murder by your own logic.

According to responses in this very thread, you are shaming ACTUAL ABUSE VICTIMS for ways THEY are using to cope. So congrats, you're a heartless asshole. YOU should be ashamed. You're causing more damage to actual abuse victims than someone doing something completely in the privacy of their own bedrooms with consenting adults that aren't actually related to each other. You are telling people that they should feel evil, just as much as those that abused them. YOU SHOULD BE SHAMED FOR THAT.

OK, points to you for not descending to the automatic SJW knee-jerk conga, but here's where your "it's all fiction" breaks down: There is an old acronym that's been kicking around the computer field for thirty-plus years:

GIGO. Garbage In, Garbage Out.

It's all fiction, it's not real life, BUT it IS images and thoughts that you are willfully allowing into your head/mind/subconscious/etc. So, even though you might consciously, with your higher brain, think you can compartmentalize it, you've only got one brain, and the wiring runs throughout; so you CANNOT compartmentalize it, at the deepest level.

It's one thing to try and justify it and say, oh you'd never do that in real life. Maybe not consciously. However, if you're OK with those kinds of disgusting scenarios or images in your head, then you are desensitizing yourself to the point where one day, it just MIGHT, in the wrong circumstances, be OK for you. Do you want to take that chance? More to the point, why do you want to keep that kind of garbage in your head in the first place?

Which isn't even addressing the fact that OP actually does want to do this to someone IRL.

You've got a lot of nerve talking about people knee-jerking, you know. You are a seriously arrogant person, or at the very least, you write like one.

Not to someone. With someone. This isn't going to be some victim, he's wanting a consenting adult that is interested in it.

I'm not a SJW. I think most of that stuff is stupid. But I'm also an actor, a writer, a roleplayer, and an adult that can clearly distinguish between reality and fantasy.

Again, I'm going to ask you to address this, and I want you to give me a straight answer instead of dodging this question: Do you think an actor that plays a murderer is going to actually murder someone? Do you think that someone that roleplays a murderer will roleplay someone? Do you think that someone that plays a violent video game will murder someone?

I'm not going to address your assumption that I'm "arrogant" just because I have an opinion that differs from yours. Was my SJW crack knee-jerk? Maybe so. You're still defending something that I think has no defense, but again, that is my opinion. You disagree. Fine.

Here's why I think OP would be doing this TO someone (regardless of stated consent); as stated upthread by a DA, he might end up in bed with someone still dealing (or not dealing) with the effects of their own trauma, so it might not even be as consensual as EITHER party believes it to be. Who knows, maybe OP is not dealing with the effects of his own trauma, IDK, and for all of us to sit here and try to guess that WOULD be a knee-jerk response, so I'm not going there. Plus, given the nature of the actions, even stated consent would be to act out that there is NO CONSENT...which is just a little more than sketchy, in my opinion.

As for your "credentials" -- based on your CV, and your age, again, talk to me in 15 years. I will answer your questions in order though, if you want to keep arguing that's fine, I don't want to, because I've stated my opinion, you disagree, we've established that we disagree, it's time to move on if you don't have anything further to add besides accusation and vitriol.

"Do you think an actor that plays a murderer is going to actually murder someone?"

No. But here's the difference between someone playing a murderer and someone in OP's situation: I would hope someone playing a murderer is NOT getting off on it (having the reward centres of the brain activated), whereas OP's would be, if he's serious, and this is his thing, and the scenario plays out. That adds a whole separate level between the two situations that are not, in my opinion, not directly comparable at all. Someone playing a murderer is not going to get satisfaction from doing so (at least, I hope they wouldn't).

"Do you think that someone that roleplays a murderer will roleplay someone?"

I assume you mean, will a roleplayer murder someone? That's debatable. Is the person roleplaying the murderer deriving satisfaction from it? If so, then, yes, the potential exists, given the wrong set of circumstances. And, should said roleplayer ever find themselves in a situation where they could be (which is not likely to happen, I'll admit), then they may have inadvertently "primed the pump" for them to do so, should the perfect storm ensue. Finally, I don't personally understand why someone would WANT to "roleplay a murderer" in the first place. Unless you're getting paid to do so (which actors are), there doesn't seem much reason (to me) to want to engage in that kind of behaviour, pretend or otherwise.

"Do you think that someone that plays a violent video game will murder someone?"

I do believe the possibility exists for this to happen, and the escalating gun violence by teenagers in recent years would suggest that there may be a correlation. That said, there are studies (not particularly well-done studies, I admit) that one can mine for support for either hypothesis. (That violent video games do or do not lead to violence.) The ever-increasingly immersive nature of the first-person-shooter games make this more likely, in my opinion (note those three words please).

I'm not saying absolutely everyone who plays a violent video game WILL murder someone; I am saying that, if the circumstances exist, then it is possible that these violent video games MAY prime the pump for someone TO go out and do this, if they do reach a point where it's impossible to tell fiction from reality (i.e., due to schizophrenia or some other mental disorder, disaffection with their lives, emotional or physical abuse in their lives).

YES, there are a LOT of factors that would have to come together, and yes, it WOULD be a perfect storm situation, and not likely to happen to say, every other gamer. But the possibility exists. Just not in a black-and-white, either-or, ALL gamers will be violent OR no gamers will be binary set.

I have answered your questions.

That is the most words I have ever seen someone use to say "I have no idea what is going on, nor am I even going to attempt to understand that other people think and feel things differently than me, but I am going to judge you so hard!"

BTW fifteen years older =/= more life experience and the fact you assume so and keep tossing it around only highlights that fact.

I'm having a difficult time even reading the rest of this comment because I'm really upset that you just implied that being molested robbed me of the ability to give consent to someone else. I'm very, very deeply offended that you would think of someone like me that way.

Also how do you know that they wouldn't be roleplaying out a scenario where it's two consenting adults engaging in something consensual? They wouldn't have to roleplay out any abuse. (In fact, based off of OP's secret it doesn't sound like he's at all interested in power imbalance.)

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I am sick of people acting like abuse survivors need people looking after them and second-guessing what they think and do for the rest of their lives.

At its core, your argument is no different from "Oh, but ... without religion, we're all slavering, violent apes with no impulse control!"

Impulse control. We all expect people to exercise it. The difference is, you're expecting people to exercise it because they don't know any other way to act and I'm expecting people to exercise it because they are people and I hold them to that standard no matter what they put in their head.

Unless you're arguing, as a corollary to absolute censorship, that everyone who manages to circumvent it and fill their heads with "garbage" is blameless for their actions, I think you're a hypocrite.

And if you are arguing that, I'm still grateful that you don't have any power over how I choose to live.

A singer in Cardiff who did appalling things should be arrested for having DONE appalling things. Because apart from all the people who you won't catch by policing their hard drives (who continue to make up the overwhelming majority of the prison population), you're bothering untold millions who have never, and will never commit any sort of crime.

The argument that thinking about the wrong things leads people to offend has been torn to pieces in the digital age, when every sort of perversion turned out to be more popular than anyone knew. The various closets kept everyone isolated. They made it possible for society to say "what you want is weird" unchallenged, to every sexual orientation and kink except the one it condoned. But now? Shaming is not going to convince anyone, ever again, that they're alone.

And contrary to what you might expect, I'm happy about that, because it has also helped countless rape victims, child abuse victims, and other people who have been brainwashed into thinking they deserve what they get to realize that's not true. Speaking out empowers us all.

da

This is different because TO OP IT IS NOT FICTIONAL. He (of course it's a guy why am I not surprised) wants to do this IN REAL LIFE. NOT IN FICTION IN ACTUAL FACT. He tries to cover how bad this is (I wouldn't say dude is evil, but he's certainly mentally disordered) by saying he's squicked by the pedos looking for jailbait.

Unfortunately (IMO) the "anything goes" and complete lack of monitoring of peoples' children on the Internet, is what is propagating this idea that "everything is OK everywhere at any time on the Internet as long as it falls out of your brain onto the keyboard" that, as OP's screed demonstrates, is starting to bleed over into the general population, and leading to unacceptable permissiveness in general society.

Which a lot of us (I suspect most of us ITT who have issues with these problems are adults, and the ones with these problems (which they are incorrectly being conditioned by their peer groups to believe is OK), are children, who just don't understand the power dynamics of sexual politics, nor why there are social boundaries of acceptable and unacceptable sexual acts for a reason.

So that's why there are at least three of us in this thread taking the hard line and saying, this is definitely not OK, and if you think it is, you've either been brainwashed by the far too permissive attitude towards perversion and deviance on the Internet, or alternately, you're just not old enough yet to see how delusional you are to think that this is in any way kosher IN REAL LIFE SITUATIONS.

He wants to sleep with someone, an adult, who is not actually his sister and roleplay it. It is completely, 100% an act, not real, and not actually abusing anyone.

Unless you think actors that play murderers are actual murderers. Or anyone that plays a video game involving killing someone.

Look, as I've said SEVERAL times, I was molested as a kid. I'm not saying actual child abuse is okay. It is absolutely not okay. But this is not actual child abuse. This is someone sleeping with an adult and roleplaying.

Oh, and for the record, I'm 25, so no, I'm not a kid that doesn't know any better. I'm just old enough to understand that there's a difference between roleplaying and actual abuse.

Talk to me in 15 years. I remember 25. It is definitely not as old as you feel it is when you're in the middle of it. My point stands, Garbage In, Garbage Out. Even if OP thinks it's fantasy, ESPECIALLY if he is acting it out, AND getting satisfaction from it, which means the reward centres of the brain being activated, which I don't think actors get, because they're not getting off on pretending to be serial murderers (at least I hope they aren't) or other situations, but yeah, it kind of still applies in that situation as well, IMO.

What the hell are you even on about? There is no victim in this scenario, there isn't even desire for one expressed. Someone getting off on a highly fetishized abstract idea they have of a taboo is completely harmless behavior. There is no indication OP is attempting to find someone to practice on before he goes after his sister or whatever you've worked this into in your head. Get back to us when you've managed to think in a straight line.

And some people want to live-action roleplay rape. Do you think this means they actually want to rape and/or be raped?

If you do think that, then you are being consistent, and you should probably take it up with them.

If you do not think that, then you are being inconsistent and making irrational judgments.

If, on the other hand, you are arguing that a constant diet of fictional incest will lead young impressionable internet users not to realize someone is abusing them -- that is a valid concern and deserves to be discussed. Say that, instead of condemning everyone with a particular sexual kink as mentally disturbed or evil.

AYRT

I guess I meet your criteria of consistent -- and I am also arguing that a constant diet of perversions on the Internet will not only normalize such things in the minds of impressionable children...when they grow up and become adults, such things could very well become normalized IN REAL LIFE due to not being fought hard enough against on the Internet.

The fact that you've so normalized these things in your own mind, that my opinion is treated as condemnatory, just illustrates my point.

LOL you cray. Good luck with that.

You missed the overton window by ... what, fifteen years? Bad luck, mate. Your opinion is not widely considered reasonable anymore.

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