[ SECRET POST #2196 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2196 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, a lot of people dislike Firefly--it got cancelled, remember?

That said, one episode isn't a great sample size for any show...but based on the complaints you have, you probably won't like the rest of it either. :/

[(Anonymous)]

But airing episodes out of order and changing the timeslot without warning really didn't help the ratings either :\

[lunabee34]

*nods*

I get the sense that reason the show got cancelled is that the network executives didn't like it and actively sabotaged the show rather than the viewership roundly disliking it.

[(Anonymous)]

From what I understand, that's actually exactly what happened.

It was Gail Berman's pet show, and she pushed it through despite the objections of her colleagues. Those colleagues, however, did what they could to sabotage it.

[(Anonymous)]

Firefly was never going to be a huge hit but yeah, those things did not help. A large portion of the fandom didn't come around until after the dvds had been released and for many even years after that.

I had to make a real effort to watch it when it aired, because FOX was less then helpful. I didn't instantly love it either, it took me until towards the end to realize how good it was. I don't think I even fully loved it until I got the dvds and got to watch everything in order.

[masakochan]

Nah, a lot of people dislike Firefly--it got cancelled, remember?

That was actually more of FOX's executives doing than anything else. Like the other anon said- they gave it ridiculous time slots, and aired the episodes out of order (not to mention- out of the 14 episodes- 3 of them never even got aired). And the original 2-part pilot episode "Serenity" never even got aired until the very end of when FOX was even airing the episodes (at least from what I've read).

[(Anonymous)]

Watched it at the time and I can confirm this, massive episode order fuckery led to a crapload of confusion at the time, to the point where we were like WHAT??? when Serenity finally aired.

[(Anonymous)]

...I thought Serenity was the sequel! (I've watched neither.)

[(Anonymous)]

Serenity is also the name of the movie sequel that came out years after the original TV broadcast ended.

[masakochan]

(Nah, it's cool- I'll explain.) There are two 'Serenity''s actually. There's the movie sequel, that's titled "Serenity", and there was the original TV series pilot that was also titled "Serenity" which was a 2-episode story. Hope that helps. :)

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, a lot of people dislike Firefly--it got cancelled, remember?

That was actually more of FOX's executives doing than anything else.

Oh, for FUCKS' SAKE. Yes, Fox messed around with the show. But you know what else? The show wasn't that great. It wasn't some OMG UBER AWESOMEZ show that only died because of network fuckery. It was okay, sometimes. It was schizophrenic; at no point did it ever choose between wanting to be a western in space or space in a western.

The show didn't get cancelled because Fox were arseholes. It got cancelled because not enough people watched it and it wasn't very good. The end.

[(Anonymous)]

Did you watch it at the time? Because, um... the fuckery was kind of blatant.

[(Anonymous)]

It was schizophrenic; at no point did it ever choose between wanting to be a western in space or space in a western.

"Space western" is a well-established genre, fyi. Firefly had its issues, but lack of a solid genre was not one of them, not by a long shot.

[intrigueing]

Methinks you misunderstand the nature of "space western" and "genre buster".

Also, it was the first season. Can you imagine judging the quality of Buffy the Vampire Slayer based solely on it's first season?

[yeahscience]

I've cooled off on Firefly as the years have gone by, but there's absolutely no doubt that it wasn't given enough of a chance or enough marketing. "Arseholes" indicates that you're British, so maybe you're not familiar with Fox, IDK, but they're notorious for picking up very good original shows and then slaughtering them if they don't immediately outperform their ratings expectations, no matter how poorly they're scheduled or marketed. It's not a very good system.

To say "not enough people watched it" after only a few episodes... I mean, some of the most successful shows of all time (Seinfeld, for example) had low-performing first seasons.

[(Anonymous)]

What's it like to go through life behaving like a colossal piece of shit?

Someone ought to off you.

[(Anonymous)]

Whether you think the show is great or not has nothing to do with ratings, I think GLEE is a colossal piece of shit, that doesn't effect how many people watch it each week.

And while objectively I don't think Firefly would ever pull GLEE ratings, I do think cancellation is entirely because FOX wanted it off, the things they did are just not things you do to a show you are entirely supporting. I WANTED to watch the show and I had a difficult time doing it because of their fuckery.

Maybe it never would have lasted to have 6 seasons and movie. But maybe 2 or 3 seasons? And the original following would have been bigger instead of everyone having to discover the show after it was already gone. Of all the fandoms I'm in for somewhat-current series I think Firefly has the largest amount of fans who never even got a chance to watch the original run.

[(Anonymous)]

I may have been way too busy to watch it (I was a senior in high school and had to do a dumb senior project that took up 95% of my time), but I don't even really remember much promotion for it.

If people don't promote a show, how on earth are people going to know it's on?

Take into account that it was 2002. While the internet wasn't super small, networks did NOT consider the internet as a viable source for anything, let alone promotion, until about 2004-2005 or so.

[(Anonymous)]

This is very true. But, as you mentioned, it was also 2002. Firefly contained

a) a main character who was a prostitute
b) good guy characters who were thieves
c) lesbian sex
d) some heavy anti-government sentiment
e) interracial marriage
f) (gentle) criticism of religion

and it aired on Fox. No way was that show staying on the air.

[(Anonymous)]

Also, I imagine it was a fairly expensive show.

[(Anonymous)]

According to TV Tropes - don't know how reliable they are - Fox actually requested a space prostitute; Joss didn't want to do it.

Also, Glee tens to criticize religion and stuff, although maybe the execs are different now. But mostly I think news!Fox and TV network!Fox are two different entities.

[(Anonymous)]

You're confusing FOX News with the network as a whole. FOX the network has never built their programming based on socially conservative sanitized shows.

[(Anonymous)]

IIRC wasn't 2002 a pretty bad year for TV shows in general? I seem to remember that in the first half of the year, all the networks were scrambling to replace content that they suddenly couldn't air because of fallout from 9/11.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeeeeeep.

[(Anonymous)]

Holy shit, you just made me realize we're talking about a show that's ten years old.

Where did the time go???