[ SECRET POST #2202 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2202 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Sorry, early today!

Also: I'm not going to officially warn for tongue-in-cheek "triggers" just to provide anyone with a fandom-specific in-joke when there are none in the secret.

Secrets Left to Post: 06 pages, 140 secrets from Secret Submission Post #315.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Better? Probably not. His moral code is too warped for that, and not in a Wolverine anti-hero way.

But could this have been a better story? YES. I've always loved how Doc Ock seems to be the perfect mirror to Peter, (It's always struck me as a little odd why Norman is always Peter's ultimate arch foe- the guy is great but I feel there's a lot more that could be done with the similarities between Octavius and Peter) but this doesn't work. No one cares that 'Peter' is suddenly acting differently, no one. Octavius may have all his memories, but when it's canon that a Peter imposter has been weeded out due to a single oatmeal cookie (the real Peter hates them) why has no one noticed? Or been the least suspicious. Everyone in Peter's life seems to have taken up the idiot ball. It's ridiculous.

Also the whole Mary Jane thing, brrrr. If they attempt any sort of redemption storyline it'll only be overshadowed by the fact that Doc Ock is now a rapist.

A storyline about a villain taking over a heroes body and learning to like it, perhaps realising that redemption can be reached and changing for the better: that could have been great, given Doc Ock's backstory and similarity to Peter. Maybe then he could have had a chance at being 'better' than Peter. But at the moment it's a mess.

[(Anonymous)]

How can Doc Ock be a rapist when he hasn't even fucked her yet?

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, poor wording on my part. My reply was a little rushed, what I meant to say was something along the lines of 'Doc Ock is now okay with being a rapist'; he seemed to be on the verge of raping MJ in #700 and probably would have if they weren't interrupted. He's not an actual rapist yet, but now he's been established as someone with the same mindset as a rapist: he doesn't see Mary Jane as a human being, just an object for his pleasure and has no qualms about raping her. It's incredibly difficult to evoke any sort of sympathy for a character like that, especially if he does go through with the act.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe but I don't think Slott would go down that route if, as he says, he's trying to make Ock a more sympathetic character. I wouldn't be surprised if Ock ends up not being able to go through with it and breaking off the relationship.

[(Anonymous)]

Attempted rapists and rapists are equally reprehensible people. You aren't a better person because you were unsuccessful.

[(Anonymous)]

But he hasn't even tried to rape her. People are making assumptions that he's *going* to.

[(Anonymous)]

I think this is the reasoning:

A is posing as B.

C thinks A is B.

A attempts to initiate sex with C in such a manner as one initiates consensual sex. However, because C thinks A is B and A knows C thinks A is be, any such sex would be rape; therefore, attempting to initiate sex is attempted rape.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm aware of that. Yes, if Ock does have sex with MJ, it will be rape.

But we haven't even gotten to the point where Ock is attempting to initiate sex with MJ.

[(Anonymous)]

Got it. I don't read the comic, so I really have no idea what's going on.

[(Anonymous)]

Well basically before Pete "died" he pretty much made Ock see his life through his eyes and Ock got a better sense of Pete's "with great power comes great responsibility", etc.

So he's not a flat-out villain at this point. He's attempting to be more of a hero.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know, this seems like trying to initiate sex to me...

http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/4169311.html#cutid1

[(Anonymous)]

that was before he absorbed peter's heroism/altruism

[(Anonymous)]

uh.... Still happened.

The fact that he's *now* figured out it's wrong doesn't make it less terrible or something.

[(Anonymous)]

Seriously, s this some weird American thing? Because I don't think that would be considered rape here. As long as she consents to the actual sex...

[(Anonymous)]

It's called rape by deception. If the situation we're talking about comes to pass it would be something like this: MJ consents to sex her boyfriend, Peter Parker. However, it's not actually her boyfriend, it's Doc Oct deliberately pretending to be her boyfriend. She did not consent to having sex with Doc Oct. Therefore it's rape.

There's actually a real life case where a man was convicted of rape after tricking his identical twins' girlfriend into having sex with him.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that exists here. Not even sure you could prosecute someone for doing that in any way. But thank you for explaining.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought there was a scene that looked like it would lead to sex, but they got interrupted by something.