[ SECRET POST #2205 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2205 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Transformers Prime]


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03.
[Rise Of The Guardians, Journey into Mystery]


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04.
[The Hobbit/The Hillywood Show]


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05.
[Katawa Shoujo]


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06.
[Wreck-It Ralph]


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07.
[Journey into Mystery]


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08.
[Due South]


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09.
[Star Trek: TNG]


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10.
[Fate/Stay Night]


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11.
[Weird Science]


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12.
[Deception]


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13.
[Labyrinth]


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14.
[Once Upon a Time]


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15.
[Nina Hagen]


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16.
[BlazBlue]


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17.
[Sanctuary]


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18.
[Blade Runner]


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19.
[Kieron Gillen]


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20.
[Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword]


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21.
[Happy Endings/American Dad]


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22.
[Flesh for Frankenstein]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 065 secrets from Secret Submission Post #315.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 2 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

18. http://i46.tinypic.com/125q74h.jpg
[Blade Runner]

[(Anonymous)]

I think that the fact that there IS a valid question about whether or not he's a Replicant is important to the central point of the movie and the questions that it wants to ask. The fact that you can question that, and that it's ambiguous whether or not he's a human or a Replicant, is definitely an important element of the movie. That said, I basically agree that it's not the central point of the movie, and making it into the central question for people to think about when they think about the movie is kind of missing the point.

God I love that movie so fucking much.

[(Anonymous)]

I really need to see the Director's Cut of this, because the entire question just sailed right over my head the first time I saw the movie.

Of course, that may have been because I saw it in high school, during my Harrison Ford phase...

[dethtoll]

Watch the Final Cut. It's the DC, just improved.

[(Anonymous)]

haha I agree

[dethtoll]

You mean there's still a debate over whether he's a Replicant? I'm pretty sure Ridley Scott himself said he was.

Deckard's status as a Replicant is however definitely central to the point of the movie, inasmuch that the point of the movie is about humanity. The key difference between humans and Replicants was emotions, but the longer Replicants lived, the more life experience they gained and the more emotions they developed, making them independent and unstable. Hence the 4 year life span, to nip that problem in the bud. That was the whole point of Rachel -- that she had memories implanted, to give her emotions a cushion and keep her under control.

[(Anonymous)]

I believe Ridley Scott has said that Deckard was a Replicant, but Harrison Ford has said that Deckard wasn't. That's the problem with Blade Runner - there's always something contradictory.

I'm not sure I agree with what you're saying here about Replicants and humans - I agree that developing emotions makes Replicants independent and unstable, but only in the same way that humans are already independent and unstable, because there's really no difference (which you might be saying here).

I mean, is Roy Batty really unstable? He's responding to his impending death, he's responding to a system that basically condemned him to that death. Is it really irrational to feel anger at that system, or to fight against it? Is the fact that Rachel has implanted memories really that important, given that she behaves like a human, and given that "it's too bad she won't live, but then again, who does"? And given that, I don't think it matters whether Deckard is a Replicant. (I feel really bad like I just wrote out a bunch of things that are obvious so sorry if I'm acting like a college sophomore and writing out a bunch of really dumb things)

[dethtoll]

I think the key thing to remember is that Rachel (and theoretically Deckard, and possibly even Gaff) are supposed to be different from the Nexus 6 Replicants. I think the implanted memories are important, because she behaves like a human from the start (and reacts badly to being told she's a Replicant.) Those memories may be fake, but they're real enough for her. And that's what matters. Tyrell Corporation has successfully created a robot almost completely indistinguishable from humans. The Nexus 6 escapees' only crime was that they wanted to be human. Rachel, for all intents and purposes, already IS human. If Deckard is a Replicant, then he's proof that humanity isn't dependent on whether you're born or built. I think that's the real lesson to take from Blade Runner.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that's the lesson, but I think it's true whether or not Deckard is a Replicant - and I guess I kind of also want to say that the Nexus 6 escapees, like Rachel, already are human for all intents and purposes. Not just Deckard or Rachel, but Roy as well. And I wouldn't say that Roy wants to be human - I think it's rather that Roy wants to be recognized as human, and he wants not to die (which is in itself totally human). It's hard for me to see any way in which Roy acts that's not human, unless you're willing to take the Tyrell Corporation's word for it (and I think the same is true, to whatever extent, for the other Replicants).

[wake_the_dragon]

I agree with this. (Sorry, I don't have a more interesting reply but you've already said pretty much everything I wanted to say.)

[(Anonymous)]

This. Even with no false memories and no implanted idea that they're human, the Nexus 6 replicants, and particularly Roy, were acting with all the passion and desire for continued experience of any living being. What they wanted, as well as to survive, was to have that be acknowledged, to have the value of their existence be acknowledged (and therefore extended).

I always found it interesting that Rachel, with her implanted memories, was more placid, better controlled and in some ways more robot-like, while Roy and Pris were passionate and dying beings, acting in some ways more human than her. In giving Rachel a false life to pretend she'd had, in some ways the Tyrell Corporation were making a more controllable replicant, one that wouldn't ever see her death coming and therefore would never rebel against it. 'She won't last'. But she won't fight, either, not the way Roy and Pris fought. And if Deckard is a replicant, the same way Rachel is, then he won't either. He and her might know, now. But by the end of the movie, they still weren't fighting.

Which makes Roy's "I've seen things that you people wouldn't believe" just that little more tragic, really.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I would completely agree that this is much closer to being "the point"; that you can't really say one way or the other if Deckard is a Replicant and that it ultimately doesn't make that much of a difference either way. That the distinction becomes unimportant is the point, for me.

[(Anonymous)]

I think Philip K Dick had him as a replicant, so surely that's the canon? Certainly the book reads that way.

[(Anonymous)]

I had the impression that he wasn't a replicant, actually. Didn't he take a test that said he wasn't? I can't remember, it's been a while...

[sabotabby]

I think it's just as strong a message if he isn't a replicant, if not stronger. Because it essentially means that there is no difference. This is probably an unpopular opinion.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you, for whatever that's worth.

[dethtoll]

How do you explain the unicorn thing then?

[sabotabby]

I don't. I just think it's cooler if he isn't.

[(Anonymous)]

I found Blade Runner to be an intensely boring movie... /unpopularest opinion
(didn't mind the book though)

[(Anonymous)]

I found it super boring too! Pretty, but I could've just watched a quick fanvid of it and been much less bored.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't even know it was a debate? I know he is a replicant, but didn't know some people think he isn't? I mean have you read the book? It's pretty clear, and I think the film is as well. I have seen people who made the film say that yes that was the point, he is a replicant. Not sure why anyone would think otherwise.