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[ SECRET POST #236 ]

⌈ Secret Post #236 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Secrets Left to Post: 08 pages, 110 secrets from Secret Submission Post #034.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, 0 not!secrets, 0 not!fandom
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Thursday, August 29th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: here.
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5: It's cool you came to like a character you once hated, but please don't become condescending over it. Maybe that's not your intent, but could you be very careful to not trash yaoi fans in expressing your love for Relena or het in general? Since as far as I knew, it's not a necessary part of becoming an adult for EVERYONE to fall in line and love het pairings or characters (male or female) that some people have good reason for being annoyed with.

For example, I do NOT like Meryl Stryfe in Trigun. I can barely tolerate her even with the best of writers (lilithisbitter, Glass Bullet), and with almost any other writer (especially from the subset of fanwriters whose characterization of "Meryl's a repressed submissive fembot who just wandered in from 'Sex in the City'," depressingly describes a LOT of the Vash x Meryl smut).

This doesn't make me any less of even a fan (I just prefer the canon incarnation where she's better written and around less), and it certainly doesn't make me any less of a person or an adult. (I'll tell you if I'm ever carded on my shipping prefs. ^_^). It just makes me someone who doesn't like Meryl Stryfe or the Vash x Meryl pairing in general, and since there's many people who DO, there's no need to be upset about one who doesn't.

15: Y halo thar, gender roles! I'm a yaoi/slash fan. When I argue that a pairing would be more popular if the characters were opposite genders, I'm assuming the dynamics stay exactly the same. And yes, IMO, it IS that squick over "ewww plz nooo not THAT" that divides a lot of the angrier shipping lines in fandom.

19: Is it just me, or are a lot these ana secrets bragging about how thin the OP is? Seriously, WTF. Yes, you're not a "fat weeaboo." We get it. Now go eat some food (or go starve, I don't care).

Where the fuck did you get me bragging about how thin I am out of 'fandom makes me want to lose weight'? I didn't even mention how much I weigh! Nobody knows I'm anorexic, I'm not proud of it, and I'm trying to stop, but all of my fandom heroes being unrealistically thin is not helping me. That's my secret. If it's a complaint against anything, it's a complaint against the common practice of making people unrealistically thin in manga, not a complaint against (what the fuck?) 'fat weeaboo'.

Not every fucking secret is about you or trying to insult you. Get the fuck over yourself.

Whoever you are, YOU WIN. I can only offer ten thousand internets, so yes. ♥ ♥ ♥

IAWTC

IAWTC and I'm sorry about your secret. ):

afghadgdfkjh forgot to sign in last time

Amen.

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I'm sorry. I'm sort of familiar with the pro-ana comms from how they've come up in fandom discussion, and a common pro-anorexia thing is to brag about one's anorexia in an offhanded way ("gee, I'm so thin and am only eating a grape a day") in hopes of getting praise. I'm very sorry to have misread your comment in such a way.

5. I don't find the secret condescending, nowhere in it did OP bash yaoi fans, and it didn't really express love of het, just a character. Nowhere in the secret did it talk about a love for any het pairing, just Relena. I don't see how even the first part could be taken to mean all yaoi fans, since it referenced fem bashing, which in the case is more pertinent than that. I don't know where the OP ever infers that anyone is less of a fan for something.

IAWTC too!

IAWTC, signed, word, etc.

Sorry. I've just seen secrets that read like "I was once a teeny fantard, then I discovered that men and women could have sex and I became a great writer and a wonderful person and het is the cure for all fandom ills. . ." and this one sort of came off like that to me. Maybe it isn't, in which I'm all for the writer and against the OOC fans that convinced her m/f was bad.

Really, I don't remember anyone saying that het was the cure for all fandom ills. But if they think it is such, then are they not allowed to hold that opinion, flawed or otherwise? Everyone, even yourself, has the right to feel and believe in what they so choose, which is what is a real marvel in this modern world. No one is really forced to bow to the opinions and desires of another. You don't have to accept what they like, and they don't have to accept what you like. And, here is the greatest marvel, if you don't like what they are saying or think, you don't have to listen to them or read their opinions.

Doesn't that help avoid problems?

I never meant to say they COULDN'T hold that opinion, just that it wasn't the only opinion ANYONE could hold. I'm not being anti-het, and I'm not against anyone sharing their opinion (please don't think I am, and I take offense to being characterized that way)

It is my personal belief that you owe the secret maker for both 5, and especially 19 as they commented personally, an apology, but alas, this is but my humble opinion. Do with it as you see fit.

Already apologized to 19 on her comment here. Going to apologize to five now.

For that I must say I shall respect you in part. Admitting potential fault or mistake is quite a difficult task, especially when one has the true anonymous nature of the internet.

*bows* I was so afraid I'd come off as insincere, but I am sincere. I misread both secrets due to past bad experiences online (obnoxious anti-yaoi het shippers and pro-anas) and for that, I'm sorry.

It happens to us all. I ask that in the future you take a bit more time to read a secret objectively before you leap to the conclusions you did today. Understanding is a basis of true humanity after all.

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pretentioustfu.livejournal.com - 2007-08-30 02:15 (UTC) - Expand

I am not the OP, so I have no idea what their intent was, I really can only speak for myself. I don't think the majority of het fans think the way you described, but I see them keep getting accused of this whenever they say anything about it. I just think you were overreading, and getting sensitive about it when you really didn't need to be. Like I said, the secret isn't even about m/f or m/m at all. For all we know the OP could just like Relena and still hate 1xR, which yes, people like that exist out there.

Agreed. I'm sorry for the overreaction. My fandom history involves being a part of a fandom where writing het was seen as the ultimate mark of fandom maturity and acceptance (and woe be unto you if you hated the OTP), where writing yaoi was something only acceptable by those who were friends of the then-BNFs.

Understandable. Being a veteran of GW, I was in the opposite boat, being that I liked het, but was pretty much ridiculed for it, for being too bland or not being awakened to the pure love or some such one got in yaoi. And now that I ship het, yaoi, and yuri (although mainly het and yuri, since I am one of the weird ones who relates better with female characters than male ones) I just realize how ridiculous the whole thing is. People should just revel in their own preferences and not worry about what so and so is into, because really that is just bringing on a whole bout of unnecessary drama and stress.

And no need to apologize, I wasn't offended, just a little perturbed.

5: If your secret wasn't a "grow up and love het like me" thing, I offer my apologies. My fandom experience was far more different than Gundam Wing, as in we had some really nasty het BNFs once upon a time.

I know that this was addressed above by others, but I just wanted to note that it wasn't my intent to sound condescending, and I'm sorry you took it that way. I'm a yaoi-fan myself. I don't ship it anymore, but GW is what first got me into yaoi. In the process, I was influenced by other extreme yaoi fans to hate the GW females, especially Relena, for no other reason than because she was female and 'messing up' the yaoi pairings.

I'm just expressing my gratitude to this Relena player for correcting my prejudices with her awesome characterization.

Oh, that's perfectly cool then. ^_^ It's all right.

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Apologies

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