[ SECRET POST #2209 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2208 ⌋

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Comments

[velvet_mace]

I don't think the problem is that you wrote a 4 page meta on how the book and the movie compare (that's some interesting shit). It's that you probably wrote a 4 page meta on how the movie was bad-wrong for not exactly copying the novel, which is frankly a hard read if you enjoyed the movie.

And it is hard to believe that someone actually enjoyed a movie if all they do is talk about how wrong it is and how much better the source material was. How can all that dislike and disappointment remain boxed away and not taint everything? "This was a horrible, terrible movie and it made me want to barf, but the cinematography was wonderful. I can't wait to buy the boxed set!" It just doesn't make sense.

It won't get any purity points, but you can compare canons and point out differences without making one "wrong" and the other "right." They can be judged by their merits as well as by their differences. Frankly, I found some of the changes and additions to be awesome.

[making_excuses]

I can only talk for myself, but usually the more I judge a movie (up to a point) the more I loved it, because it made me pay attention, and when I do that I notice the flaws...

I agree with you on the last paragraph though.

[velvet_mace]

Yeah, I know people do that -- they nit-pick to death that which is good. It's almost like they have to find something to criticize it on, otherwise, I don't know, something. They aren't good critics or something. And that's kind of too bad, because it puts things all out of proportion.

You can examine something for what it does right as well as what it does wrong. And that's every bit as fascinating to explore. It's not just mindless squeeing. It's actually looking at it and seeing how something actually worked and why it worked.

[making_excuses]

Yeah I don't do that. I do enough of analyse stuff for school. The person who said Film and Television studies would be fun, was slightly exaggerating.

I mostly agree with you though, I don't get people who write page upon page about how much something sucked, then ending with: I love it. But finding flaws some flaws in things and still enjoying it is something I get.

[velvet_mace]

I get it, but it also is awfully tiresome reading for everyone but the writer (and maybe other haters). Especially if it is ignoring the bigger picture for the point of dwelling on the small flaws. There has to be some balance, beyond the gleeful enjoyment of tearing something down.

[making_excuses]

I agree there, but then again I can't be arsed to read long things about why you loved something either.

Watching a movie with me on DVD is hell for people who aren't fond of talking though, because I am a running commentator, it comes from living in a family where we solved crime show crime during the episode. But after watching it I usually only say: Oh I loved that, because it had GIGANTIC PINEAPPLES and hot men and women! or I hated it because: IT DIDN'T HAVE GIGANTIC PINEAPPLES!

Most of my fandom discussions happens on f!s or on the phone with my friends, so I never really go in depth in anything.

[thene]

I totally do that, and it's not because I 'have to find something to criticize it on'. I'm not trying to find anything, just describe what's there. I had a great argument about this once that went "For the love of god, why can't you just turn your brain off and enjoy movies?" "Because that's what I enjoy movies with - my brain."

[velvet_mace]

But there are good things there, too. It's not just all bad, otherwise you really wouldn't enjoy them. Being able to spell out the good things is... well... good.

[(Anonymous)]

I've read a lot of posts where someone was just tearing into a movie or episode and I'd respond with "Oh, well, I liked it anyway" only to have the OP reply that actually, they liked it too and they didn't mean for me to get the wrong idea. If you didn't want me to get the wrong idea, why didn't you say you liked it somewhere in there among your complaints?

[therangerking]

It'a entirely possible to love something and still understand and talk about its flaws.