[ SECRET POST #2209 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2208 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[adlanth]

Someone better acquainted with The Hobbit correct me, but does Thranduil even hate Dwarves in the books? My understanding was that he was miffed when they showed up and wouldn't answer any of his questions as to why they were here, and that later he sided with Bard & co - but to me that's more him being a temperamental bastard than some instance of deep ancestral hate.

[(Anonymous)]

I believe it mentions something about an old feud between wood-elves and another clan of dwarves which obliquely refers to the Doriath debacle. And he does lock them up for... well, for trespassing and then refusing to explain what they were doing, which isn't exactly an outrageous reaction.

[darth_eldritch]

I don't remember- been years since I've read the books- there has always been some back story and grudges in the Hobbit and LOTR, but Thranduil's always prickly.

[visp]

Yeah, they just show up in his property, crashing the woodland revel, and when he's like, "So, um, why are you here?" they get all "You can't make me talk" on him. So he's like, "Eru, fine! You can stay in the comfy holding cells until you decide to be a little more forthcoming."

[velvet_mace]

I think that Thorin did say "We were lost and starving and were hoping you could help." But apparently that wasn't good enough. They wanted to know all of Thorin's business. Also, didn't they claim they were just passing through on their way to see relatives? Anyway, they thought that the Elf king was going to demand a share of the treasure, so they refused to tell him. He's portrayed as being more greedy than vengeful.

[(Anonymous)]

Also, didn't they claim they were just passing through on their way to see relatives?
No. When Thranduil asks him what they were doing in the forest, Thorin says nothing at all. Thranduil's suspicion is pretty justifiable considering who he's sharing a forest with.

[(Anonymous)]

Little bit late to the part-eh here, but in the book Thranduil just wants to know why they're all up in his forests business and when they refuse to tell him, he confines them (with as much food and drink as they want) until they decide to be honest. Likely because he doesn't want them derping around the forest, pissing off all the spiders.

At the end of the book, Thranduil, despite having marched all his people down to the mountain is the only one who DOESN'T demand a share of the dwarves treasure. He only backs up Bard the Bowman's claim to a share to help rebuild Laketown (since Bard's the one who actually killed the Dragon, and the Dwarves efforts to get Smaug out destroyed Laketown) In fact Bilbo is so impressed and enamoured with Thranduil by the end of the book that by the time the goblins get there "if he was going to be in a last desperate stand, he preferred on the whole to defend the Elvenking."

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know the timeline of what Tolkein came up with when, but he may not have written the Doriath backstory until later so the conflict may not have had an explanation when he originally wrote The Hobbit.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Or he only had a vague outline of it at that point. He was writing the forerunner material to the Silm back in World War 1, when he was in the trenches.