[ SECRET POST #2216 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2216 ⌋

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Comments

[intrigueing]

I was about to say this exact thing. (Not criticizing him? WHAT? That's like saying Ten got over his Time War angst in season 4...) Dammit, you beat me to it.

The fact that season 5 seemed to have been COMPLETELY IGNORED is my biggest problem with Moffat, because season 5, despite its uneven quality, was basically everything I ever wanted and was a great lead-out from the really fascinating subject matter of the RTD era and lead-in to the possibility of a show with the Doctor having adventures and saving people in a more (but not completely) classic Who-type way. Especially how it was all about the Doctor taking care of Amy and Rory, not the other way around, showing that he had gotten over/was in the process of getting over a lot of his personal issues and trying to become a mentor-ish figure again...and then season six basically went "NOPE" and went into fucking reverse. *headdesk*

The Doctor/River thing especially irks me since I really, really, really, really liked them in season 4 and 5, when she was just an awesome mad lady who'd pop out of nowhere and cheerfully deflate his self-importance by trolling the fuck out of him and vanish again while never being mystified by him because she knew all about him already. It was so...I dunno, appropriate?

[(Anonymous)]

NA who's one of the brand new Who fans around here...

Now I'm starting to understand why people hated series 6 so much (and the River/Doctor relationship) - I can't say I disagree because I understand your points now that they're laid out along with the anon who made the post about all the lessons of the episodes. I don't know why it didn't bother me as much when I watched it (or why it still doesn't even now) I guess I was able to watch series 6 on it's own without thinking about the fact that many of the same lessons were already had in series 5? Or maybe I'm too good at ignoring the deeper issues with certain shows if I'm having enough fun with it otherwise.

[intrigueing]

Hey, if you can appreciate season 6 on its own merits, more power to you! It's certainly not all bad, and I can see how a lot of fun can be had with it. It's just that I unfortunately couldn't enjoy it because so many things niggled at me.

And I relate to you: when I was first getting into DW back in 2008/9, I watched the episodes all out of order, and therefore totally missed a lot of the problems with season 4 because I enjoyed the episodes individually and didn't really connect it in my mind to the arcs of season 2-3 and didn't really care to. It's just a TV show after all, it's for having fun! And they still don't bother me all that much, even though I intellectually notice a lot more problems now, because I remember enjoying them the first time I saw them. Nothing wrong with being able to enjoy things on one level. In fact, I'd say it's a good thing. :)

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

The more I think about it I think the main thing for me is that I have a tendency to view each episode as a totally separate thing as I'm watching it - so I'm not thinking a lot about how it fits in with the rest of the series at the time. Even if I'm marathon viewing like I have been with Doctor Who ... So even if lessons are repeated I (mostly) don't notice until afterwards when I stop and think about the whole series on a whole (or really when someone makes me stop and think about it). Plus the whole, "I just wanna have fun" thing. Because to me it was a lot of fun.

[intrigueing]

Yeah, that's how I used to do it (and yeah, it WAS more fun...I just can't help myself noticing nowadays). I was also hoping after season 5 that the show would become more episodic, since Moffat's a concept guy and it seemed that an episodic style would play more to his strengths than an arc style. Ah well...*shrugs*

[othellia]

The Doctor/River thing especially irks me since I really, really, really, really liked them in season 4 and 5, when she was just an awesome mad lady who'd pop out of nowhere and cheerfully deflate his self-importance by trolling the fuck out of him and vanish again while never being mystified by him because she knew all about him already.

I know we already got into a long conversation about all of this about a month ago, but YES, YES. ALL OF THIS.

[intrigueing]

We did? I don't remember that conversation but I'm glad someone else sees it kind of the same as me (consensus is painfully rare in Who fandom...)

[othellia]

Well it wasn't exactly about River, but we did go over our mutual frustration at the super angst of the 2009 specials when they were coming out, our liking of season 5, and then the crushing disappoint of season 6.

[intrigueing]

Oooooohhhhh yes, that we did :)

Speaking of which, I had the good fortune of mainlining all the 2009 specials in the space of a single day, a month or so after The End of Time came out, and mainlining all of season 6 in the space of about a week, and thank god because I'm not sure my adoration of both Ten and Eleven would have remained so unshaken if I had to watch that shit unfold in real time.