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⌈ Secret Post #2216 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

OP, here:

I don't have any sympathy for the mother. She was OKAY WITH HAVING HER DAUGHTER RAPED. She was in fact, ACTIVELY WORKING TO HAVE HER DAUGHTER RAPED. Merida, and any woman, is/was entitled to do absolutely anything to prevent being forced to have sex against her will. I quote reviewer Scott Mendelson:

"This isn't a kid who doesn't want a curfew, but rather a kid who is 100% accurately upset over being forced to marry (and presumably have sex with) a guy she has no interest in because he won her in a sporting event. That the film tries to say that 'Merida has to learn to empathize with her mother' is insane and outright offensive in this specific circumstance. When a parent is treating their daughter like chattel, there can be no middle ground. The film either has to support the institution of forced marriages or it has to come out against it. Boiled down to its core elements, this is a seemingly light and warm-hearted story about a young girl who has eventually wins the approval of her mother to not be forced into marriage and treated like a prize. In the end, Brave is a mediocre variation on Drew Barrymore's Whip It. But the film's rather dire stakes makes its false moral equivalency downright offensive. And if you think I've being melodramatic, just imagine the same story revolving around another 'traditional practice' - female genital mutilation."

[(Anonymous)]

Huh. And yet, she's perfectly happy to eat the food she's been given, take the horses, the education, the shelter, the clothing, the weapons, and everything else her status gets...

But if she needs to get married because it will prevent a WAR of her people, the people she will need to lead and protect, it's too much? She doesn't want to have to do that, but she wants everything else. All of the good things, none of the responsibility. She's a brat. And she tried poisoning and mind raping her mom.

Merida herself never objects on the grounds she doesn't want to have sex. Yes, it's a Disney movie, but if you think the whole "she'll get raped" thing actually applies anyway, then the fact Merida's specific objection is "I do not want to marry someone whom I do not love" (and don't pretend she wouldn't be candid about having to have babies with him, considering how loudly she antagonizes her mother), then I will presume these were not the grounds she was objecting on.

[ariakas]

And yet, she's perfectly happy to eat the food she's been given, take the horses, the education, the shelter, the clothing, the weapons, and everything else her status gets

You wouldn't happen to be the "I'll smash my kids' stuff to show them whose boss" anon from yesterday, would you.

[(Anonymous)]

NTAYRT but they kind of have a point? This isn't the modern day where we can reasonably expect things like the food Merida eats*, the education, the shelter, the clothes she wears* to be something every kid has, not to mention the weapons*. The stuff that Merida has is obviously of higher quality then what everyone else has; her clothing is richer, I'd guess her food is better, and she actually has time to get an education instead of working, and to spend time ~riding through the glen with her hair flowing~ or whatever her Dad says about her.

You can't apply modern opinions to her, in-movie, she comes from a place of privilege in the movie, the fact that that is never addressed is frustrating.

[(Anonymous)]

Um. Giving someone "nice things" like food and clothes...doesn't actually make raping them okay. Not in a movie, not in real life, not ever.

And "You can't apply modern opinions to her" my ass. The movie was made in 2012. It's a modern movie.

[ariakas]

The problem is that Merida was written by people in our modern age - if this was a medieval story I might agree with you that you can't apply modern thinking. This was written by modern writers for a modern audience with a moral lesson intended for the parents and children of the modern age.

Hence, modern opinions are the only ones we can apply to her. And your parents don't own you and your reproductive system because they paid your rent.

Heck, honestly? Even if it wasn't written as a moral lesson for the families of today, you can still judge history by the morals of today. There's no "well eugenics was standard practice back in the early 20th century so a mentally handicapped or neuro atypical person who didn't want to be sterilized in spite of their family's wishes is just a brat! they fed/clothed him or her! just think, they could have been out in the street or even killed at birth if they were less fortunate! think of your privileges you selfish, spoiled child!".

Nooooooooope nope nope.

[(Anonymous)]

You can acknowledge that there are things in the past that were very wrong, while still acknowledging that Merida was incredibly privileged with regards to her access to the foods she did, the fabrics in the clothing she had, the clothing she had, the education she got, and the free time she had.

That is all.

[ariakas]

I totally acknowledge both of those things, but the latter does not make the former "right", or Merida unjustified in thinking it wasn't.

Honestly anon I'm kinda tired of boo hoo spoiled princess is sad stories myself, I'll like to see a female hero of the people sometime.

[morieris]

I see what you're saying a bit clearer now.

You don't seem to think that someone should emphasize with someone who is trying to put them in a serious situation - Though I think you're approaching it with a historical context instead of the 'wonderful' Disney verse it takes place in - no doubt if Merida married one of those boys in the context of the studio's universe and looking at their pass releases (Disney =/= Pixar, not quite, I know) would she do anything short of fall in love.

[(Anonymous)]

Not only that, but the suitors themselves weren't keen on the idea of marrying some girl they'd never met, so I doubt they'd be all "YAY SEXYTIEMS!" either.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

YES exactly


which is why I'm not buying the OP's "omg mom is trying to get her daughter raped RAPE RAPERAPE" stuff the OP is tossing out.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

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RAPE!





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^ That is the entire plot of this movie and I don't know what you're talking about.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

I might think you're the OP of this subthread, but that would be mean,
troll harder

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

I think this is a troll, if it's OP:

Look , this isn't making you look like a Good Clever Activist (TM) , it;s making you look like a tween keyboard warrior with no debate skills who thinks they can just pull ad hominem attacks , and just in general wave around "omg rapist" like a fucking flag and win and get a shiny Good Person metal.

Please try to be mature in your argument.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Cleverness? Argument?

Man, I've never even seen this movie.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Oh so you're not the OP then. Okay

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

I'd love to see that play out in fic, actually. Merida marries one of the sons when she's good and ready to, and their wedding night is spent with her teaching him proper archery because neither one of them is ready for the whole sex thing yet.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

That...would be AWESOME. I'm fucking on it.

(If it gets completed, it'll show up on AO3 someday.)

[les_lenne]

The first time I watched the movie, I found Elinor really despicable. Her being hilarious as a bear saved her from that being my final opinion of her, but yes. I agree with you 100%. And also, in the end, marriage wasn't such a big deal to any of the clans. Merida's words swayed them pretty damn fast. So wanting to marry her off was more for shits and giggles instead of for real reasons. The clans already liked each other well enough not to start a war. That part of the plot felt really forced from the very beginning and I honestly don't understand how so many people fail to sympathize with Merida.