[ SECRET POST #2216 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2216 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Huh. And yet, she's perfectly happy to eat the food she's been given, take the horses, the education, the shelter, the clothing, the weapons, and everything else her status gets...

But if she needs to get married because it will prevent a WAR of her people, the people she will need to lead and protect, it's too much? She doesn't want to have to do that, but she wants everything else. All of the good things, none of the responsibility. She's a brat. And she tried poisoning and mind raping her mom.

Merida herself never objects on the grounds she doesn't want to have sex. Yes, it's a Disney movie, but if you think the whole "she'll get raped" thing actually applies anyway, then the fact Merida's specific objection is "I do not want to marry someone whom I do not love" (and don't pretend she wouldn't be candid about having to have babies with him, considering how loudly she antagonizes her mother), then I will presume these were not the grounds she was objecting on.

[ariakas]

And yet, she's perfectly happy to eat the food she's been given, take the horses, the education, the shelter, the clothing, the weapons, and everything else her status gets

You wouldn't happen to be the "I'll smash my kids' stuff to show them whose boss" anon from yesterday, would you.

[(Anonymous)]

NTAYRT but they kind of have a point? This isn't the modern day where we can reasonably expect things like the food Merida eats*, the education, the shelter, the clothes she wears* to be something every kid has, not to mention the weapons*. The stuff that Merida has is obviously of higher quality then what everyone else has; her clothing is richer, I'd guess her food is better, and she actually has time to get an education instead of working, and to spend time ~riding through the glen with her hair flowing~ or whatever her Dad says about her.

You can't apply modern opinions to her, in-movie, she comes from a place of privilege in the movie, the fact that that is never addressed is frustrating.

[(Anonymous)]

Um. Giving someone "nice things" like food and clothes...doesn't actually make raping them okay. Not in a movie, not in real life, not ever.

And "You can't apply modern opinions to her" my ass. The movie was made in 2012. It's a modern movie.

[ariakas]

The problem is that Merida was written by people in our modern age - if this was a medieval story I might agree with you that you can't apply modern thinking. This was written by modern writers for a modern audience with a moral lesson intended for the parents and children of the modern age.

Hence, modern opinions are the only ones we can apply to her. And your parents don't own you and your reproductive system because they paid your rent.

Heck, honestly? Even if it wasn't written as a moral lesson for the families of today, you can still judge history by the morals of today. There's no "well eugenics was standard practice back in the early 20th century so a mentally handicapped or neuro atypical person who didn't want to be sterilized in spite of their family's wishes is just a brat! they fed/clothed him or her! just think, they could have been out in the street or even killed at birth if they were less fortunate! think of your privileges you selfish, spoiled child!".

Nooooooooope nope nope.

[(Anonymous)]

You can acknowledge that there are things in the past that were very wrong, while still acknowledging that Merida was incredibly privileged with regards to her access to the foods she did, the fabrics in the clothing she had, the clothing she had, the education she got, and the free time she had.

That is all.

[ariakas]

I totally acknowledge both of those things, but the latter does not make the former "right", or Merida unjustified in thinking it wasn't.

Honestly anon I'm kinda tired of boo hoo spoiled princess is sad stories myself, I'll like to see a female hero of the people sometime.