[ SECRET POST #2223 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2223 ⌋

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Comments

[tenlittlebullets]

Ooooh, I have a creeper anon? YAY. I'm f!s famous!

Oh man, Ten. The problem is that he's a wonderful sweet woobie and a horrible asshole with more issues than the entire back catalog of Doctor Who Magazine, and the writers are only intermittently aware of how to handle this. Sometimes he is admirable; sometimes you kinda suspect the writers think he is when he really really isn't, in which case he's an awfully-written character and a horrible asshole; and sometimes they're so bang-on-the-nose about how and why he's fucked-up that you really enjoy seeing him get put through the wringer, because you get to feel properly bad for him instead of rolling your eyes and flicking popcorn at his stupid angsty face.

...or, in the case of Journey's End, rolling your eyes and throwing knives at his stupid angsty face.

[(Anonymous)]

sometimes you kinda suspect the writers think he is when he really really isn't, in which case he's an awfully-written character

Can you give some examples? I think I give the writers way too much benefit of the doubt which leads me to not really understand other fans' issues with the writing, so I'd really like to hear which things bothered people!

[tenlittlebullets]

The Sontaran two-parter and The Doctor's Daughter stand out to me as examples of how not to write Ten. He's throwing shitfits at the merest mention of guns or violence, and being unnecessarily vicious to people who don't deserve it--even to his friends--when he really has no grounds to condemn anyone. And it's impossible to tell whether the writers actually think his prissy knee-jerk pacifism occupies the moral high ground, or whether they're aware of how over-the-top it would be even without the generous helpings of hypocrisy.

The shape of the episodes, which end up being all about how the Doctor was a selfless suffering hero who was right all along, would seem to indicate that the writers don't get it. But then you get to lines like "Look up genocide in the dictionary, you'll find a picture of me next to it--with the caption 'Over my dead body'" that would take implausible amounts of gall and/or cluelessness to write with a straight face.

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ayrt

I think the hypocrisy in The Doctor's Daughter was intentional, there was that moment when Jenny asked him about the war and said "then how am I different from you?" and he had no answer.

HOWEVER, thinking back on it, the reactions Donna and Jenny had to that hypocrisy were way too *mild*. It was as if he had offhandedly said something a bit hypocritical without really paying attention to what he was saying and they were just pointing it out for him. And it was really not just some little offhanded bit of hypocrisy. More like "wow, this guy is up to his eyeballs in denial". So I think there, the writers were really oblivious to the *severity* of how fucked-up his hypocrisy was, even though they were acknowledging the existence of the hypocrisy.

And that "a man who never would" scene at the end. That scene seemed to be framed as some kind of awesome righteous moment, but it kind of swept all Ten's inner struggles from throughout the episode under the rug.

I can't remember all the specific details of the Sontaran two-parter so I don't recall if UNIT got a moment of vindication or not, but Martha had that "I'm trying to make them better!" line, which seemed to be a pretty straight endorsement of Ten's opinions, even if they were aware he was a little OTT about expressing them. And you're right, I don't think Ten ever went "whoops sorry" or anything for being so up in his ass about guns. And after all that, he goes onto the Sontaran ship with the functional equivalent of a bomb, and seriously? That's okay but guns aren't? And I don't remember him or anyone else mentioning that disconnect either.

I guess I just kinda assumed the dissonance was intentional, but a more casual viewer probably wouldn't have any reason to think it was intentional because nothing I remember in the episodes really gave off that message, so that's not really good writing.