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[ SECRET POST #2227 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2227 ⌋

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[Roswell]

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[Gyakuten Saiban/Ace Attorney]

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[Pokemon]

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[The Vampire Diaries]

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[Teen Wolf]

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[Les Miserables: Shojo Cosette]

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[The Hobbit]

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[Neil Gaiman, Mark Gatiss, Dan Handler]

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[Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2012)]

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[Power Rangers]

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[Star Wars: The Old Republic]

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[Big Bang Theory]

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[Breaking Bad]

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[Troy Baker]

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[Magi; Final Fantasy IX]

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[Skyrim]

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[Supernatural]

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[Penn & Teller]

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[Flight Facilities - With You]

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[Neil Gaiman]

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[The Hobbit]

Well, that's fair enough, I think. The book being adapted from is a fundamentally different order of thing from the Hobbit to Lord of the Rings, and I'd say more likely to be improved by adaptation. Hobbit isn't as good as Lord of the Rings -> adaptation is more successful.

(not an insult to The Hobbit, either, it's a really enjoyable book that I like a lot)

As a fellow book purist I pretty much agree with this. The Hobbit is a much better candidate for Jackson's style of adaptation than LotR was; it's not surprising that he's made a movie from it that even a LotR book purist likes better.

I bet I'd like it better myself, if only Jackson hadn't insisted on incorporating material from the LotR appendices of the kind that suffers badly from the Jackson treatment.

This.

The Hobbit was written for a different audience and far less philosophically complicated than The Lord of the Rings.

Peter Jackson loves working with Hollywood stereotypes. The brooding hero with a tragic past, comic relief, etc. In case of the Hobbit, it adds a layer of characterisation; in case of, say, Aragorn or Gimli, it takes away from it.

I actually couldn't remember most of the book after I finished it. I don't know, it just didn't really stick, I guess?

But I agree with you, I definitely enjoyed the movie more (which is usually the opposite of how I feel about movie adaptations).

I liked the movie more too. (At least so far, but considering most the dwarves already have more personality than they were given in the book, I don't think I'll change my mind.)

Not that I don't enjoy the book, mind you. It was excellent imo. But it had it's faults and I actually enjoy some of the changes and additions. (The ones I don't tend to not be big enough for me to complain about.)

I still like the book more (it is tied to memories of my childhood), but I loved seeing everything come to life. Nothing beats hearing the dwarves actually singing and having the world and characters Tolkien created animated. Plus the scenery is beautiful and hearing old LOTR music made me smile.

I just started reading the book, after watching the movie back in December. I've noticed it's different and now I want to see the movie again to compare them better.

I enjoyed the movie, and found the book just okay until the got to the Gollum parts, and later Mirkwood.

Huh, I'm the opposite way. I thought the LoTR movies were better than the books and liked the Hobbit better as a book. But hey, to each their own. All 4 are very good, and so it's just a matter of personal preference - apple pie vs. pumpkin.

It's perfectly okay to have a preference OP, I imagine most people do. I'm more of a film fan myself but I'd laugh at anyone who suggested that I dislike the books, quite the opposite really.

I like how they're making it a proper prequel to the world established in LOTR as a whole. (It's very exciting to me) That wasn't the intention when he first wrote The Hobbit, so naturally there's a lot more going on in the background that we (and he, at the time) didn't know about, so I like that Peej is setting up for LOTR, rather than just telling the story of The Hobbit.

I mean, I'd probably like it if it was just The Hobbit, none of the background/added stuff, but this is more interesting to me.

I can see where casual moviegoers are like "Uh.... but why?", but I'm not a casual moviegoer. ^^;; At least where Middle Earth is concerned.

I liked the movie better as well. And you know what- that's okay. I get really tired of book purist attitudes myself though, it's not bad to like a film better, sometimes films handle things better, or maybe they just do things differently and somehow that difference worked better for you.

Tolkien created some awesome worlds but he definitely has a few weaknesses in his writing. The movie in the very least bonded me more closely to the dwarves.

I am the opposite! I actually hated that movie more than anything I can remember, except for the scenes right out of the book (Gollum + Unexpected Part). It was weeks ago, and I still can't really talk about it.

I'm right there with you. I mean, I hate it as a movie in and of itself. And I really hate it as an adaptation. Just, so much wrong on so many levels.

Care to elaborate? I'd be interested.

nayrt/original anon
the shortest way I can describe it without devolving into a frothing rage is: general dislike of how every movie Peter Jackson makes seems to be full of empty melodrama. It feels like bad pacing and a cheap shortcut, like telling an audience to feel invested in a story or characters instead of making them interesting. IMO it didn't suit the tone of the book at all, and in some parts actually ruined what I loved about the book as a kid. Also it was SO LONG AND BORING so I had a lot of time to think about how much I wasn't enjoying it. Hopefully ayrt has something more coherent to say about it...

Well, I don't know about more coherent, but I've can definitely say some stuff. ;) (Oh, I'm the second anon -- so I guess the first ayrt?)

I do like Peter Jackson (though I think he needs a good editor sometimes), but in this case, I thought he got most everything wrong. The slo-mo hero-walks of Thorin (which happened far too often, to the point they almost became parody) put him in a place that he wasn't at the beginning of the story. The gross-out humor was completely different from the actual humor of the Hobbit. (And again, there was far too much of it.) The danger levels were weird in that impossible falls were survived, but knives could kill you. Like they couldn't decide between a silly kids movie or a more grounded film.

And the tone was completely and totally off. This is supposed to be Middle Earth in its Summer, with the elves very much there and not thinking of leaving, and life, while not utopian perfect, mainly good. Which is different from the LotR's series -- but I don't think Jackson got that. Which means we missed out on things like talking animals and so, so, so importantly -- the elves being merry and mischievous and coming up with silly songs to mock their guests with. Instead they had all the serious gloom of the original trilogy. Which made me sad and a little pissed off.

(I did really, really like the scene with Gollum, though. That was pretty awesome.)

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(Anonymous) - 2013-02-08 06:45 (UTC) - Expand

Are you me? I could easily go on an hour long wankfest about the movie version of rotk, but damned if I wasn't completely charmed and delighted by The Hobbit movie. I blame the actors - I'd happily just sit and watch the dwarves + Bilbo and Gandalf sit around a campfire and bullshit for several hours.

We'll see if my love lasts through the elvish bits in the next two movies - I really disliked PJ's depiction of the elves in LOTR, so I'm not too hopeful really.

I loved the book as a kid but, yeah, as an adult I way preferred the film. I dunno, I just don't feel the same kind of 'omg, don't touch it' nostalgia I do with some other books.

I really love not being a purist. I get two wonderful canons to mix and match, ponder and play with in my head. Not the same, not a substitute, simply more of what I like.

Yes!! Me too!! I love all the LotR movies and books and the Hobbit book + movie (so far). They've all got kind of fantastically different flaws, too, so it's like the flaws in one are made up for in the other.

For instance, both the first Hobbit movie and the Hobbit book have really bizarre pacing. But the book I felt rushed past important stuff (sometimes not showing it at all) whereas the movie lingered on absolutely everything whether or not it affected the larger plot. xD So I'm really psyched to see the movie handling things that the book sped past, and I can go back and read the book if I want to have the whole story contained in a relatively brief experience.

Yes, exactly! The movie spent a bit too long on a few things which weren't really in my mind necessary (the whole scene with Frodo could have been completely cut, and while I loved the fact that they explained Erebor and the Arkenstone, I thought they could have done that in about half the number of minutes that they actually took). On the other hand, with the book -- they build up to a war for like three chapters and then two paragraphs later it's over with a fortuitous rock to the head. When Frodo wakes up two of his traveling companions are dead.

On the other hand, I loved how each dwarf was given a personality and sense of uniqueness in the movie. I can care and sympathize with them and get to know them. They aren't just a bunch of rhyming names. And yet in the book I didn't mind that they were completely interchangeable -- because it was purely Bilbo's story, he's the only one I really cared about, and the rest were just props helping him along his journey.

Pretty much what I think too.

I will say, I didn't read the book until adulthood - actually not until after the LotR movies. I totally understand the POV of people who could only get into the story through the movies. There were huge tracts of LotR I never read until after the movies, the movie imagery made that a lot more accessible.

The Hobbit was a book I only ever read once and have never returned to, so in a similar way, the movie has made it accessible. The movie has certainly made the dwarves into characters I can truly like, and has also made Bilbo into someone I can think more of than just "Frodo's eccentric old uncle".

It also made the idea of shipping hobbits serious for me, since it gave us appealing characters of a similar height scale to ship them with (seriously, I am rethinking my thoughts on LotR hobbit ships like Merry/Pippin and Sam/Frodo because of The Hobbit).

Please, PLEASE don't tell me you were pissed that Arwen got Glorfindel's part. I hate people who are like that. Especially since they always hide their fetish for male elves behind their purism.

"Now I can't slash Legolas with Glorfindel because wahh wahh stupid Action-Arwen!" as if there was somehow a lack of male-slash material in those movies.

Be glad that Arwen got to do something instead of being just a passive princess in a tower (really hated her downgrade back to book!Arwen in the second and third movies).

Now, if your problem with Arwen was said downgrade or her "sickness" in the third movie, please ignore this angry comment, lol.

I hardly slash anyone in The Lord of The Rings movies (except Legolas/Gimli and Eowyin/Merry)... curiously I slash everyone in The Hobbit movie. I got pissed Glorfindel got shafted in LotR because he's the GREATEST ELF EVER.
http://marchingjaybird.tumblr.com/post/42159250285/im-sorry-i-couldnt-resist-okay-but

Edited 2013-02-08 13:02 (UTC)

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