[ SECRET POST #2230 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2230 ⌋

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Notes:

Early because blizzard, not quite sure if power will last.

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Comments

[fscom]

NS, NF, etc.

[ 1 2 - too big ]

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[elephantinegrace]

I can honestly say I learned something good from the internet today. Thanks, OP.

tb2

[caecilia]

Aw, what a cute flower.

And no I totally agree with you.

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[morieris]

That's a point OP. I guess it depends on where the show takes place, is being produced, and who is producing it (that might explain why a lot of shows don't focus on nationality a bunch)

[(Anonymous)]

Well, nationality is usually harder to compensate for. It also sticks out like a sore thumb when you have a German, Korean, Thai, Sri Lankan, etc cast of characters.

It also requires more research into their history and culture, which the author might not want to focus on. I very often see people complaining that their nationality was not represented correctly. It's simply hard to do enough research to compensate for everything you don't know about a culture another person grew up in.

It also isn't so much a matter being ostracized. Swedes make a lot of their own material and media to consume in their country. But there's not really a notable group of Asian Americans making popular media for them.

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[visp]

Nothing but text and you couldn't fit it into the size requirements? It's a shame, because it's a decent secret.

[darkmanifest]

Hardisooooon.

TB2

[(Anonymous)]

What about people with different value systems that are all from the same country?

I know what you're getting at, and I do agree; on the one hand, it's nice that race is incidental rather than a Big Deal, but on the other, it would be nice if they respected that people born and raised in foreign countries often have different cultural values that people born and raised in the story's home country. However, it's also possible for people from the same country to have differing value systems, too, so I'm wondering how you feel about that, or if you believe that everybody from the same country holds the same cultural values.

Re: TB2

[(Anonymous)]

it would be nice if they respected that people born and raised in foreign countries often have different cultural values that people born and raised in the story's home country

Which is a nice segue into how Anglo filmmakers would get so much shit if they decided to randomly add characters from other countries more often than they already do for the shocking of values and their cultural research wasn't immaculate. So much shit.

Re: TB2

[(Anonymous)]

=/

TB2

[(Anonymous)]

Are you serious? Target demographics, how do they fucking work.

If you're bored of seeing the same old values, go look for media from different countries? They're most likely going to have subtitles, though, what a shock, brace yourself.

And yeah, personally, I'd rather watch a modern British series with a racially diverse cast than a modern British series with Caucasian Brits, Caucasian Americans and Caucasian Australians as leads. For example.

Re: TB2

[feotakahari]

You're assuming that target demographics DO fucking work. The most successful shows are often ones that can draw in a wide variety of viewers. (And for that matter, I'm not convinced that a show's target demographic will be scared away by protagonists outside that demographic. Besides the obvious example of MLP, the former half of Tiger and Bunny would normally be considered too old to interest teenage viewers, and he has a LOT of teen fangirls.)

Re: TB2

[(Anonymous)]

Swedish tv's most important geo demo is... Swedes. French tv's most important geo demo is... the French. Argetinian tv's most important geo demo is... Argentinians.

British and American tv's most important geo demo is... the UK and Americans. With other Anglo markets coming in very close second, and non-Anglo markets as a desirable and sometimes achievable 3rd because America in particular excels at exporting THEIR cultural product.

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[(Anonymous)]

I think it's fine to aspire to be Kevin Flynn. Obviously you're not going to create Tron, but anything that makes you aspire to be awesome can't be a bad thing.

I await the day when we have all of Tony Stark's technology. It's so awesome.

I'm a dork and have put too much thought into this.

[inkmage]

I'm sorry, and also kind of late to the party, but I must dork out over this.

One, Kevin Flynn didn't create Tron; Alan Bradley did. Hence why Tron looks like Alan.

Two... sorry, OP, but you probably shouldn't aspire to be like Kevin. At least not as he was in Legacy. He did a lot of stupid stuff. As a programmer, he was brilliant. In the first movie, he did pretty great considering everything he had to process in the space of like a day/two hours (depending on how you count). But by Legacy he'd gotten booted out of power by his own admin program, was dumb enough not to build himself an escape route JUST IN CASE OF [unforeseen problem x], was doubly dumb enough to give said admin program the basic directive of "Make the perfect system" without much clarification on what that meant, and was just flat-out idiotic enough not to communicate to ABSOLUTELY ANYONE what was going on, leaving Tron, Clu, Alan, Laura, Sam (not that a ten-year-old should really have been burdened with it all), and anyone who might possibly have fixed things out of the loop. Hell, I've seen the entire plot of Legacy fixed in a hundred words along the lines of, "Alan picked up the papers he'd found in the basement. On them were written the words, 'PROPERTY OF KEVIN FLYNN. IN CASE OF EMERGENCY. If you're reading this, I'm very likely missing. Here's what you need to know: there's a world inside computers where....'".

Did he deserve to be CEO of ENCOM? Well, I dunno, we didn't see much of that time beyond, "Yep, everything went great!" But he did write those games, and he was sort of a genius programmer, so I'm gonna say yes. But within the world of TRON, programs are essentially people. They have thoughts, feelings, opinions, etc. And Flynn treated them as though they were programs from our world: simple tools. He's a technical and digital genius, but he isn't - wasn't - whatever - that stellar of a person.

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[lunabee34]

This is always something I appreciated about SGA (more so in fic than in canon itself) because people from many different nationalities are brought together on Atlantis and while the show itself didn't really deal with what it means to have all these people from different cultural backgrounds together, the fic often does.

T!B 2

[forgottenjester]

Both. I want both. Can we have both?

Re: T!B 2

[(Anonymous)]

Ha, exactly what I was going to say - AND with the gif I'd have used! Thanks for saving me the time. ;)

[othellia]

TBH, knowing how to program does take a lot of the ~magic~ out of it. Just wait until the first day you spend hours and hours dismantling a section of code, searching desperately for a logic error, only to find out it was some stupid syntax typo. And by then, you've commented out so much, you can't remember how to get it back to the stage it was at when it first stopped working. Disillusionment 101.

So maybe it's better than you don't?

[maverickz3r0]

Yeah, basically this. The frustration of why doesn't it work, why won't it work, why isn't it working, and then going over the code line by line and finding out you typoed a tag.

Not that I've done that or anything...except about fifty million times...

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[al28894]

Aww...

We need more people like you, OP.

Re: 2

[(Anonymous)]

No. The world needs people who can think for a second.

Just THINK.

TB2

[(Anonymous)]

I'm going to say this again, I don't care.

Go read and watch and listen to media from different countries. Seek them out. They are more accurate portrayals of a nation's culture and values system than something done by foreigners.

I say this as someone who ISN'T from an Anglo-Saxon nation.

[(Anonymous)]

Clarke's Law #3: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

You're not too far from wrong.

Good luck with coding and be gentle on your hair.

[(Anonymous)]

more diversity = different values = more interesting shows

I think what other people have said are true too, even if people are from the same country and look the same they should have different values

in other words, I agree