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I really flip-flopped on that episode. When I was young, I nodded my head and agreed. When I was older and remembered that, I was shocked that they actually had an anti-feminism episode in a girl's show. Then someone reminded me of the plot, and how Femme Fatale(?) was basically picking fights where none existed...

But then I watched the episode again, and I'm back on "that's anti-feminism". I agree with what they're trying to say: that you can't go around picking fights because there are some injustices, however in the world of PPG, everything is equal. Femme Fatale wasn't wrong because she didn't know how to pick her battles and made everything a battle instead, she was wrong because, in Townsville, there was no such thing as sexism. Everyone treated each other so sweetly and nicely and if you thought something was sexist, you were wrong.

That was the issue. The ending moral wasn't "don't pick fights where there are none", it was "there are no fights to be had, stop picking them".

It's definitely anti-feminism and it's definitely gross.

Yeah, it was a big old straw woman episode.

At least Lauren Faust has said that she regrets writing that episode.

She shouldn't. The ACTUAL message [re: not the WARP THAT AESOP one that was arrived at above] is one that DID need to be taught and one that the internet could definitely stand to learn. One that, given this discussion, has whizzed over the fandom as a whole's heads, despite not being in the least subtle. This is what is wrong with the Social Justice obsession.

To be more precise: Social Justice on the internet tends, like that 'feminist', to be about GETTING DEFENSIVE, not about defending. There's a difference.

^agreed.

Internet SJ(W) imo has gone from being about raising awareness to throwing huge angry tantrums about anything and using "for the cause" to justify treating people like shit. Most mature activists would look at the SJWs and probably say "that's now how you do it."

For example on the issue of race I've heard of some SJWs actually arguing for segregration and yelling about interracial marraiges because the white person is always either fetishizing or lording power over them, because apparently it's not fucking possible for two people of different races to genuinely be in love.

and I've seen SJW "feminists" claim that it's "Okay" to have sex with a man if he has an erection regardless of whether he gives verbal consent or crying that their boyfriend is 'denying them sex" while they're one their period and "how dare he not want to have sex with me when my genitals are pouring out blood what an insult". It was creepy as hell .(Also the "denying me sex" sounds like the whine of a rapist or a creep who's butthurt that a girl is exercising her right to say no to him.) But anyone who sees a problem with it would probably get a bunch of death threats in their inbox.

There is something very wrong with the way SJW has mutated. Maybe the episode was a little complex for 5 year olds who are at that stage where everything is black and white but not going overboard with your cause is a good thing to teach people. That it doesn't matter if you're intending to stand for a good cause, if you're a hypocrite YOU'RE A FUCKING HYPOCRITE.

Intent isn't magic , remember?

spelling correction "that's not how you do it

... however, that rant ^ is a pretty good example of a derail.

No I was making a point I intended that SJWs go way too far to the harmful end of ideology spectrum in the name of "activism" and that teaching kids at some point in their lives (maybe not when they're five) that if you've gone too far YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR is actually a good fucking idea.

But then again with SJWs any points they don't want to hear are automatically derails. I reached a little outside the topic. But I tied it back to the topic to make a point.

...talking about this episode is in and of itself a derail. This thread was about the designs. But since OMG SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET, of course you had to play the derail card instead of anything constructive.

The issue of that aesop was that they were presenting Femme Fatale as being utterly wrong that injustice existed. The PPG were wrong to see anything as sexism, because in Townsville, there is no sexism.

But sexism is real, and it was a horrible message to give. I can see what they were going for, and that's a good message, but the fact that it ended up being 'there's no such thing as sexism, why are you being so mean?' is the big issue with that episode.

I don't think the episode was horrible, and if they had cut out pieces here and there you wouldn't have noticed that issue. But jeez, that opening monologue "In Townsville, everything is fair and equal nothing is ever wrong NO SEXISM STOP ASKING ABOUT IT".

I kind of get why they didn't want to bring up sexism, as that might have made the episode too complex, but then we're left with the idea that sexism is no longer real. A lot of the episode is very good and I'll tell you that when I watched it as a little girl, I did take away the right message. But maybe another one didn't. But the nature of a cartoon--to make everything simple and kind of bigger than life--makes it difficult to discuss a lesson that requires you to teach about feminism, sexism, and, uh, "bad" feminism. If you don't teach the audience what all three is, the last one isn't going to work.

All messages are open to interpretation. Such is the nature of communication. But the one you took away requires a lot of very deliberate overanalysis and misreading of the episode that no child would do. It's kind of similar to some other examples of supposed 'twisted lessons' I've seen read into a number of shows.

No, it doesn't. The episode explicitly lays out in the beginning Townsville is completely equal with no sexism.

Not to mention the writer admitted very graciously she did the episode poorly and is embarrassed by it.

No, she's embarassed by schmucks like you that overthink a children's moral.

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