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fandomsecrets2013-02-10 03:51 pm
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(Anonymous) 2013-02-11 10:53 am (UTC)(link)Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
There is a phrase called 'lost in translation', and there are some cultural things that just do not translate.
Take a linguistics class or travel to a country that speaks another language. Not the tourist sites but the real deal. Ethnocentrism makes you think the world can easily be decoded with a Spanish-->English dictionary, and while that might help you with a few simple phrases ... the culture is another matter entirely.
Culture and language are what make people different and what makes different countries unique from each other. So, when you say things can be easily translated into English without losing any nuance, I can't help but call bullshit.
What I hate about dubs is the ethnocentrism - I love to use that word. They try to Americanize it (or whatever English speaking country) because they think people are too stupid to understand the more subtle references. It makes people uncomfortable to see things through another cultures lens, so it has to be filtered down for them.
I can't help but be reminded of that pokemon episode that turned an onigiri into a donut. That's pretty much the personification of what dubs are to me.
tl;dr: You are dead wrong if you think that no nuance of the original culture is lost when trying to make it more friendly for your own culture.
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Sure, things get lost in translation. But are those things always important? And is it always a matter of ethnocentrism? No, I don't think so, not always.
Consider the target audience of Pokémon. Could children that age be expected to know what onigiri is, or to easily find out? I'd say no. 'Donut' is definitely ... not what I'd gone for, to be quite diplomatic; the only excuse for it that I can see is that it probably fit mouth movements pretty well (o + something else, could take about as long to say given how Japanese dialog tends to be reallyreallyfast). But you need to call it something, and I'm damned if I can think of a good alternative.