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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-02-14 06:44 pm

[ SECRET POST #2235 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2235 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Transformers More Than Meets the Eye #13]


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[Agent Romanov/Black Widow, MCU]


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[Richard Armitage]


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[James Bond: Skyfall]


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[Frankie Boyle]


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[Michael Trucco & Sandra Hess]


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[Injustice: Gods Among Us]


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[Star Trek: The Next Generation]


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[Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II, The Sith Lords]


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[The Following]


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[Battlestar Galactica and The Walking Dead]


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[Game of Thrones]


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[Jennifer Connelly]


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[Castle]


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[BBC's Robin Hood]


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[The Most Popular Girls in School]


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[Legend of Korra]


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[Steam Powered Giraffe]


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(Anonymous) 2013-02-15 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

I said more like the books, not identical to them. The 2006 film version of Casino Royale is very much like the book, moreso than most films in the franchise. Off the top of my head, I'd say Dr. No and From Russia with Love are the only other movies that resemble Fleming's books at all and they aren't identical in tone or characterization, either.

I've warmed greatly to Craig as Bond but can understand why not everyone has. I also happened to like Timothy Dalton so am aware that my acceptance of actors portraying Bond is much looser than the average fan's. I hope you like the next Bond better so you can enjoy the future movies :)

(Anonymous) 2013-02-15 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
DA

Timothy Dalton is actually my favourite Bond, though I'm fond of Roger Moore too (and quite liked On Her Majesty's Secret Service with Lazenby). Brosnan and Connery are the Bonds I have most trouble with, which I gather is something close to blasphemy. I'm still not sure about Craig. I want to like him, but ... for some reason, he never quite clicks for me?

Mind you, I've never read the books, so I've no idea what that selection says about me.

(Anonymous) 2013-02-15 02:23 am (UTC)(link)
It is all the other Bonds came across as intelligent, thinking, men. You could believe they could hold a conversation while killing you. Craig's Bond is as bright as a two watt bulb in a power cut and as subtle as a gorilla on crack.

I can't wait until the fashion is for intelligence again.

(Anonymous) 2013-02-15 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure. Some of the issues surrounding Craig's Bond, things like the right to authority and the consequences of turning people into weapons, the consequences of using those men-made-weapons, do appeal to me. There's just ... It's sometimes difficult to reconcile with the older portrayals, and the figure of Bond himself, at the center of it, becomes somewhat pathetic? Not weak, as such, but deserving of pity. There were previous Bonds who evoked something similar (Lazenby and Dalton), but the sense of a loss of agency attached to Craig's Bond wasn't there to the same degree with them.

Craig's Bond makes me uneasy, I think is what I'm saying. And I think he's meant to, yes, but it makes his movies more difficult to watch.

(Anonymous) 2013-02-15 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Craig's Bond always came across to me as not really having a personality. He's on the same level as a game character, he just takes an order and goes and kills something or blows something up. His movies really do come across as just a non-interactive version of a shoot 'em up. I think that is why he is so popular with a certain demographic, he's a blank self-insert for their X Box fantasies to play out on. That is why he so, unimaginative and impersonal (and also not terribly bright) as it is hard to have a character with a complex personality if you are serving a demographic devoted just to killing and blowing stuff up in a juvenile manner without complex thought. You just have to look at various internet forums to see that virtually every discussion of any characters in any franchise eventually boils down to someone going "why don't you just shoot them/blow up the building".

The other Bonds had more individualistic characters that don't map to the average gamer, and while their plans inevitably involved carnage and explosions, did so in a manner that required a distinct set up and plot first.
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[personal profile] sirenssong 2013-02-15 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
I'm a huge Timothy Dalton!Bond fan as well. I just love the movies he was in. Especially License to Kill. I really need to do a Bond re-watch...

(Anonymous) 2013-02-15 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
I really need to do a Bond re-watch...

I think I do too! And yes, License to Kill is I think one of my favourites.

(Anonymous) 2013-02-15 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

...which I gather is something close to blasphemy. I have issues about that, actually. I loved Connery (who was gone before my time) but this attitude of him being the best Bond ever simply because he was the first is ridiculous to me. It just seems like the media is parroting old ideas that just don't apply anymore. But most Bond fans alive today weren't alive when Dr. No came out in 1962. Most Bond fans have grown up with a whole backlog of multiple actors as Bond showing on their TV sets and in theaters. That's a good thing. That means people can pick from amongst now 23 films and 6 actors to determine what they liked best. "What I like isn't what you like" is okay. There's no right or wrong preference and I wish the media in particular but also older fans (many of whom are parroting what they heard their fathers say when Lazenby or Moore took over) would stop perpetuating such a ridiculous notion. There are many reasons to like or not like any of the actors and the movies but I just don't see popular opinion being a valid reason.

/rant

Sorry, I've just heard this from so many people that I later learn haven't even seen most of the movies or in some cases any portrayal other than one or two (usually one Connery movie and all the Craig movies). It drives me mental.

(Anonymous) 2013-02-15 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
I actually enjoyed most of them, some less than others. Maybe I was lucky, though, because my Dad (who would have come to the films around late Connery/early Roger Moore's time, I think) had read the books first, and actually favours Dalton too. So I never really got the whole 'Connery is the only Bond' thing. Technically, I came in around Brosnan's era, but Brosnan just ... doesn't really do it for me, and backtracking netted me Dalton, Moore and Lazenby, all of which I liked better. Basically, as you said, if you come in late, you get the option of cherry-picking, which is in some ways better.

I do think any opinion is valid, provided you've actually see the thing yourself. Don't diss anything you haven't seen, yes?

(Anonymous) 2013-02-15 02:53 am (UTC)(link)
I love Timothy Dalton. I'm biased because I loved him before I ever watched a Bond film or knew that he had played him. The Living Daylights great.

Moore and Brosnan are my least favorites. I think they're the least interesting to watch.

I'm not sure how I feel about Lazenby because Diana Rigg stole that movie and made it one of my favorites. I like Connery and Craig a lot.