[ SECRET POST #2237 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2237 ⌋

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Comments

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[mekkio]

You must be young because anti-French jokes haven't been a "thing" since 2001. They've been around in the US since there was a US mostly because the US started out as a British colony and the Brits and the French have had a long history of bickering to put it lightly. The US just never dropped it once they became independent.

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[(Anonymous)]

I like your euphemisms!

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[(Anonymous)]

We were cool with the French for, like, a couple decades after we got founded. They were bros to us during our Revolution and then we were pretty hyped about their revolution. And then Napoleon came along and then Adams and his crew were just super angry about it, and we almost went to war with France, but then we didn't, but then we went to war with the British, but then everybody kind of got over it.

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[(Anonymous)]

I really love this description.

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[mekkio]

Americans weren't that hyped for the French Revolution since the French public said we should side with them because they were just like them in wanting to throw over the royals. However, at the same time those same Americans owed those French royals a HUGE debt. So, Americans were caught in the middle and weren't that happy about it. More like whistling and walking away.

Americans were even more so when the Revolution became The Terror. They were horrified by the idea of beheading everyone in sight.

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[(Anonymous)]

How things change, now beheading is sooo passe and old world. It's enthusiastically drone striking anyone in sight. And out of sight. And random buildings just in case someone might be there. There ain't nothing more 'Murrican than Terror these days.

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[chardmonster]

I pretty much immediately discount the opinion of anyone who says 'murrican. They're going on memes rather than actual facts.

And yes drones are bullshit.

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[chardmonster]

No, we weren't.

First of all, there's no we. The people alive in the 1790s are not us.

Second, Americans were not "pretty hyped about their revolution." Some Americans, notably Democratic Republicans, were. Others, mainly Federalists, were freaked out and favored the British side.

There were really big street brawls over this.

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[(Anonymous)]

Er, these jokes were mostly light-hearted before that year though. After that it all became about how France is an evil socialist terrorist hole full of terrorist lovers who never work and surrender when they hear a bag burst, come on.

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[(Anonymous)]

The "surrender" thing has definitely been around since before that.

In fact, I'm not sure 2001 hurt feelings added any content to the anti-France sentiment -- the U.S. has been coasting off British cultural anti-French sentiment for a very long time -- but it did add vitriol.

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[sugar_spun]

Maybe it has to do with where you live. Here in the northeast none of the jokes are meant seriously. I rarely hear jokes like that at all. If you live somewhere to the south you might hear them more in earnest.

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[(Anonymous)]

IDK, it seems like the anti-French thing hasn't been *as* focussed prior to 2001. Before then it was just "lololol those Europeans with their shitty high unemployment" (never mind that the EU could tolerate higher unemployment because of stronger welfare states, and the German tendency to be anti-inflation had something to do with it too), rather than bagging on the French for having the temerity to not gung-ho join the beating on a crappy little country.

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[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, the US was so anti French they let the French put a massive fucking statue up in New York in gratitude for France's help in forming the country.

You are an idiot. Up until Bush the French might have been snobs, but at least people didn't insult their courage given how the French Resistance basically risked being tortured to death to make D-Day happen and French civilians put their own lives at risk time and again to get allied POWs and downed Airmen back home safe. Those jokes are an insult to brave allies, and disrespectful to the US, Allied, and French Resistance soldiers who all lost their lives. The US populace could only have hoped to have been a quarter as brave as France's if the tables had been turned.

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[(Anonymous)]

Jesus, this.

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[sugar_spun]

Anti-French jokes was what mekkio said. Not an anti-French sentiment.

And do you have similar sentiments about the French cracking jokes about Americans, despite many Americans dying to liberate a country not their own? Don't play the 'who owes what' game.

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[dreemyweird]

You're right that the US is not anti-French; in the War France sided with the Americans, albeit for political reasons.

There are, however, historical issues, since a major part of the States used to be a French colony (that is, until Napoleon sold it to Brits). Besides, the British king wanted to give a huge amount of lands to the Natives, which was a part of the reason for the colonists' dissatisfaction with his policy.

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[(Anonymous)]

The US populace could only have hoped to have been a quarter as brave as France's if the tables had been turned.

Sorry, what? where is this coming from?

Also, those jokes are stupid because (1) they're historically completely unfounded and (2) are completely thoughtless, mean-spirited cliches which (3) are blatantly the result of a jingoistic, imperial, idiotic worldview in (4) the support of a war that was patently not in the best interest of the country. I don't think you need to bring in the French Resistance to point out that there's literally no truth behind the mindset and it's small-minded and vicious in the extreme.

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[dreemyweird]

Yes, that was my first thought. I imagined that the part about butthurt was supposed to be talking about the history of America's independence, and I couldn't figure out why OP thinks that the jokes started in 2001...

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[(Anonymous)]

Exactly.