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I'm gonna try the first episode tonight. I've already been exposed to a lot of spoilers and stuff through fandom osmosis, so feel free to be spoiler-y with advice -- tell me, what should I expect? What would you warn me of? What would you think I might find exciting? What should I watch out for? What should I be aware of in order to not be weirded out or thrown off? Any weird hiccups or irregularities? How would you guys rate the episodes?

Before you watch the series, I'd watch the movie, The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes just so you can see if you can spot all the references Moffat makes to it in his series. His Sherlock is less ACD and more of a modern adaptation of that movie.

Don't take "The Blind Banker" and "A Scandal in Belgravia" too seriously - they're both rather problematic, and everybody (except apparently Moffat) knows it, so just accept that. They're not terrible stories otherwise, but they will make you want to beat your head against a wall.

How is "A Scandal in Belgravia" problematic? I just watched it for the first time a week ago and didn't see anything horrible about it. What am I missing?

nayrt (and major "Scandal in Belgravia" spoilers here obv)

I think it is both problematic and bad (although I generally have a lower opinion of Sherlock than some people do so take that in mind). To me, it's problematic because it takes a fairly strong character from the original works (Irene Adler) and makes two crucial changes to her character. First, it makes it so that her power comes largely or even primarily from her sexuality. Second, it completely reverses the dynamic of the original story - the point of which was that Adler outsmarted Holmes. She won. Whereas in this version, not only does Sherlock totally beat Adler (& does so at least in part because of her weird obsessive crush on him), she also later needs him to dash in on a white horse and save her life, or whatever. Which, one, is much worse than the dynamic of the original story - but it has to be said that Moffat took a story where a smart, intelligent woman beat Sherlock Holmes at his own game, and turned it into a story where a sexy dominatrix is obsessed with Holmes, is beaten by him, and then has her life saved by him.

Also, it's bad - both in relation to the original story, and on its own terms (there's so many plot twists that the story quickly becomes ludicrous, even before the completely absurd SHERLOCKED thing). But yeah, I definitely see why people think it's problematic.

AYRT

Ah, I see. I never read the original story, so I had nothing to compare it to. My impression of Irene in BBC's Sherlock wasn't that all her power came from her sexuality, she had used her wits and resourcefulness to gain enough power that she could do whatever the fuck she wanted. I thought she was a fun character for the first half of the episode.

The SHERlocked thing was absolutely ridiculous, though. She's this woman with the power to topple dynasties and she's brought down by a schoolgirl crush? Bullshit.

agreed on this, especially on the point that it is bad. it's really, really bad on its own, never mind canon. the whole episode made no sense and i actually felt like sherlock was pretty epically OOC. my brothers (who've never even read any acd) were baffled by it and spent a couple of hours after the ep just trying to sort out wtf happened and how ridiculous it was.

I found it incredibly silly, that's all. The scene with Sherlock saving Irene was a stuff of fairy tales.

Besides, in Sherlock the Irene/Sherlock "canonical" pairing disturbs me no less than in Elementary.

I don't care if it's problematic, it's just badly done plotwise.

Edited 2013-02-26 01:04 (UTC)

The scene with him saving her disguised as one of the Evil Arabs felt like a scene from a cheesy pulp movie from the 50s, not a modern Sherlock Holmes adaptation.

ugh seriously I want to erase that episode from existence.

Sherlock is basically 180 degrees opposite to ACD's character. If you're OK with that, no problem. If you have more than a passing familiarity with Canon, however, the show is wall-bangingly stupid.

I think the adaptation of Holmes' character is decent enough. It emphasizes different elements of the character than other adaptations, certainly, but I think most of what the character does is justifiable from the canon (especially given that the character is basically impossible to adapt perfectly to the screen, IMO). And the adaptation of Watson is fucking perfect, to me - I really feel that it's the best Watson on stage or screen period. Huge fan of the way they envisioned the character and the performance.

I think the real problem is with the plots. It really seems like at the end of the day the writers just aren't much good at writing mysteries. The plots are often mind-bogglingly stupid, they go on far too long, and they're ridiculously implausible. They're just poor plots. And I think the... I'm not sure the word for it - some combination of the setting, the atmosphere, and I guess what you could call the dramatic context of the series doesn't work for me, either - Holmes' character is placed in a fundamentally different relation to the world around him, I think, and not just because it's a different time period.

So, yeah, serviceable-to-excellent characterization and great acting, in the service of farcical plots.

they go on far too long

THIS.
I really wish the episodes were only an hour.

The female characters don't interact.

Just watch and enjoy yourself, nonnie. A lot of people have very strong opinions about the show and every aspect of it has already been picked through with a fine toothed comb.

The good thing about that is, no matter what you think, you'll easily find someone who agrees with you. The bad news is, you'll also easily find someone who completely disagrees with you.

Perfectly worded.

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