[ SECRET POST #2251 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2251 ⌋

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Comments

Slightly OT

[dreemyweird]

I don't have fandom crushes, but I kind of get your sentiment. In my case it's ridiculously exaggerated, though. There's this character with an actual historical prototype, and I feel like they would be eternally weirded out by the idea of being a part of somebody's literary creations, let alone a part of wish fulfillment fanfic.

Although technically during their life they already had this another character who was based on their personality... but the difference is that the canon source I'm talking about features them under their real name using the events of their real life. And it's generally creepy. Besides, they weren't exactly happy about being embedded in a literary work.

Biographies and memoirs exist, yeah, I know. I've actually read a couple of admirable biographies of this very person. I just have this feeling that the border lies somewhere between non-fiction and fiction and that in this case fiction is slightly not okay.

IDK even. They died over a century ago, I shouldn't feel this way. It's not even that I judge the author of the canon (I admire and respect them) or that I think that there's something ethically wrong with the whole situation, I simply feel bad about it.

Re: Slightly OT

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think there's anything wrong with your feeling that way. I think it's good to maintain a sense of reality and proportion and respect, and that's how I read what you're saying. It's good to bear in mind that real people are, you know, real human beings. I don't see any reason you shouldn't feel that way.

Re: Slightly OT

[dreemyweird]

Yes, you're probably right. It isn't pleasant to feel, but I guess it is emotionally healthy.

Thank you (although I can't say I'm relieved).

Re: Slightly OT

[tweedisgood]

Curious as to who this is, now.

Re: Slightly OT

[dreemyweird]

Well, it's funny that you had to ask. It's Joseph Bell. He was a very private person; that may be a part of the reason why such a small number of people knows anything/gives a damn about him. [it is especially amazing when we consider the fact that this a huge fandom, one of the oldest in the world]

I think he'd be pleased with the lack of public attention. His medical colleagues, after all, remember him still [as long as there is Manual of the Operations of Surgery], and this looks like something he'd like to be remembered for, not SH stories.

[tweedisgood]

I wondered if it was "Murder Rooms" because of the context, but I don't like to assume. I'm not sure why it's "funny I 'had' to ask" - I'm not in fact ignorant of the connection between Bell & Doyle & Holmes, as your comment seems to imply, and unlike some Holmes fans have seen the "Murder Rooms" series.

Bell was reported by some contemporary sources to be somewhat flattered to be part of the inspiration for Holmes - though as you say he would not have wanted to trade on it or be given undue attention purely on that score. His established professional reputation was not in real danger of being harmed - besides, Doyle never tried to claim the two were identical.

[dreemyweird]

Omg, I'm so sorry that it sounded like this. This was not my intention at all, and I was merely amused that you happened to stumble across this thread, as you seem to be the Holmes fan of f!s. I thought that you were asking without recognizing the context, since, while of course I did not surmise that you weren't aware of Bell's existence and his connection to SH (such a notion would be ridiculous), I automatically assume that just about every person I encounter is unaware of the existence of Murder Rooms. Which is no crime even for a Holmesian, really. It's certainly not a masterpiece of the century (although I do think that it was rather well done), and knowing/not knowing it does not indicate anything.

Yes, you're quite right. I personally think that he had mixed feelings on the matter - on the one hand, he was flattered (and humbly said that it was probably Doyle himself who contributed the most to Holmes' personality), on the other hand, he was displeased with how inhumane and cold Holmes was. Besides, after the general public learnt about him, there was an influx of journalists nosing out the details of the matter, and it must've bothered him (although he did communicate with them, so it probably wasn't that bad).

Wasn't referencing Murder Rooms, btw, but the books.

And naturally it can be argued whether he was the or a model. There was Littlejohn, after all, and Doyle himself, and Doyle's imagination must've contributed plenty of non-existent traits to the character. If anything, they were complete opposites in every sense, save and except for the Method and some appearance features.