[ SECRET POST #2252 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2252 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Billie Piper - Doctor Who/Secret Diary of a Call Girl]


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03.
[Steam Powered Giraffe]


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04.
[Teen Wolf]


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05.
[Kuroko no Basket]


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06.
[Princess Tutu]


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07.
[Kuroshitsuji]


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08.
[Queer as Folk]


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09.
[The Reward]


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10.
[Spartacus: War of the Damned]


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11.
[The Following]


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12.
[Les dossiers du Professeur Bell]


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13.
[Misfits]


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14.
[Saint's Row The Third]


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15.
[Penn and Teller]


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[Harry Potter]


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Comments

[ninety6tears]

What's interesting to me is that the actual sorting system in itself isn't a huge problem; it's the culture surrounding it and how much importance wizarding society casually places on the houses people come from and the cliquey segregation of it that is not at all discouraged by the school. Their social/moral lives wouldn't automatically be defined by the people they room with/compete with, but a lot of negative factors make it so that it very often ends up that way.

I do think JKR was conscious of it being sometimes a bad thing though.

[celestinenox]

YESSSS.

I actually have had to debate this before, having formerly been actively role-playing in the HP universe. I found out that most of my fellow RPers did not put much stock in how important the House system would be after Hogwarts, and I couldn't imagine why it wouldn't be.

I mean, each House has a list of somewhat inherent qualities that are considered the most important attributes a member of that House can possess. Now, we all know intellectually that bravery, or loyalty, or ambition aren't necessarily inherent in a person from birth onward, they can be taught, they can manifest later. But the idea is that if you go to Gryffindor, you are brave and moralistic, and if you go to Slytherin you are ambitious and cunning (neither of which are necessarily bad traits!). And, somehow, Slytherins also became the evil racists.

Okay, so, you've got these kids who are taught what each House represents, and then they graduate and go out into the world. By Harry's time there are a thousand years worth of generations of witches and wizards who have gone to Hogwarts and know that Gryffindors are bold, Ravenclaws intelligent, Hufflepuffs hardworkers, and Slytherins ambitious.

So then what happens at a job interview? Here in the IRL Muggle world, many people are judged based on what university they went to... I can just imagine a Wizarding employer interviewing an applicant; do they want the bold and reckless Gryffindor, or the loyal, hardworking Hufflepuff? They don't know this person from a hole in the wall, but they know Hufflepuffs are hardworking.

Knowing what House someone was in at Hogwarts can be seen as a shorthand for knowing what kind of person they are, and it doesn't matter that in reality it's a load of B.S. Human beings LIKE being able to make snap decisions based on very little actual facts. It's why we like to label people in the first place.

[lunabee34]

This makes absolute sense to me. Another analogous system might be the Greek system where people network through the sororities and fraternities they belonged to in college, often finding employment that way after they graduate.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

That stuff can be partially attributed to networking opportunities, but I was also thinking of even stupider labels: the way we react when we find out someone was homecoming queen in high school, for example. For some people, it carries some kind of status even at 30, and for others, it is grounds for some serious eye-rolling, lol.

[mentalguru]

Pretty much.

I think what many people (even those in the Uk forget). JKR didn't ever INVENT the idea of four school houses in the first place. They're a part of many UK schools!

They're a part of many uk schools. Thing is though MOST british schools and their students don't give a flying f*** about them in day to day life I think. I mean I've never HEARD of anyone taking them seriously. In our school all it did was define teams on sports day (like I was in the 'yellow' house, have two friends in red and two in green. I think in boarding schools they CAN use them to divide people (at random) into where they'll be sleeping? Or even sometimes academic classes in some other schools? (After all each school is different). But I honestly have NEVER heard of a school which took houses so damn seriously among themselves as they do in HP.

Of course, a part of that has to do with the selection process (not random- its based on your own desires it seems and if you don't make those known, personality/abilities) as well as the fact there is only one school which serves the whole UK (... and possibly Ireland?) I guess. Plus school sports is actually considered of life-and-death importance in the Wizarding world unlike most of the rest of muggle britain.

I mean Quidditch certainly is more exciting to watch then say school football or rugby or hockey but... yeah. Weird.

All in all, the fact HP's world takes the school houses seriously is realistic I guess given the circumstances. It was mostly JK borrowing something real and actually making it MATTER/IMPORTANT in some way unlike in real life. But it's still pretty messed up and people don't say that it is.Besides Hermione. And I think certain events made that fall flat.

I just kind of wish we had more 'evil' people from other houses too, not just maybe the few 'good' slytherins. I always felt Umbridge was a Hufflepuff myself- she's loyal to whoever is running the Ministry after all. Doesn't matter who is RUNNING it maybe but she's loyal to whatever the Ministry is doing no matter how morally dubious or awful. Plus it helps she's racist I guess.

I guess it's just that while ambition can be turned to evil (though why not desire to be the greatest healer in the world as your ambition?)- loyalty, a thirst for knowledge and even bravery can be used to poor ends. I mean someone could be recklessly loyal to Voldemort or a cause, or a follower could be brave to the point of suicide in a fight for his cause (Gryffs are a bit like a mix of Puffs and Slyths to me really) or perhaps some Ravenclaw could be tempted to join by the fact they would be able to preform morally dubious experiments or what have you (pursue knowledge in areas people deem unacceptable in society etc.)

Oh for Death Eaters from the other houses who actually followed those houses ideals to the letter in utterly terrifying ways. If only.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, 4 or in our case 8-because our year groups were so big they had to split the year in half before sorting into houses. Difference is most of them never stick with the same name: one year was 'places' - london, westminster etc, another was space shuttles: challenger, endeavor....