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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-03-03 02:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #2252 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2252 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Billie Piper - Doctor Who/Secret Diary of a Call Girl]


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[Steam Powered Giraffe]


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[Teen Wolf]


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[Kuroko no Basket]


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[Princess Tutu]


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[Kuroshitsuji]


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[Queer as Folk]


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[The Reward]


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[Spartacus: War of the Damned]


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[The Following]


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[Les dossiers du Professeur Bell]


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[Misfits]


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[Saint's Row The Third]


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[Penn and Teller]


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[Harry Potter]


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Am I the only one confused about what the OP's impressions of Sorting and Houses are?

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2013-03-04 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
I mean, forgive me if I got this wrong, but when the Sorting Hat is listing off the traits of the Houses, isn't Slytherin basically described as cunning and ambitious? Those aren't bad traits to have.

I always got the impression that the whole thing about Slytherins being all "selfish cutthroat racist assholes" was mostly because it was all in Harry's POV, and that's how he perceived Slytherin. (And a movie thing, they really catered to this idea, but I always got a much more nuanced impression from the books). I mean, the only Slytherins we see much of are pretty much his enemies. And as far as I remember, when things started breaking down during the second war, with some students being on the Light side and some on the Dark, there was a higher concentration of children from Dark families in Slytherin, but they were still spread out across the houses, and Slytherin wasn't ALL Dark/Voldemort's death eaters.

And, isn't the sorting basically "this is kinda what you're like right now, so here, go be with all the other kids who were like this when they were your age"? You don't get put into Ravenclaw because you will grow up as a bookish, scholarly person, you're put into Ravenclaw because that's what you're like now. What you grow up as is your own problem. (I mean, a lot of people have brought up that Hermione should've been put in Ravenclaw and yet she was in Gryffindor, so obviously the personalities-to-house aspect isn't all that set in stone, anyway - after all, is anyone going to call Luna Lovegood a coward just because she's not in Gryffindor?).

I honestly never thought the actual Sorting was meant to be some sort of statement about ~Who You Are~ for life, just what character traits you have that are more dominant in your personality right now. And then you get put with all the other little kids whose personalities are largely dominated by that one trait (or who want to nurture that trait or just appreciate it most - Hermione is bookish, but she still highly values courage and so she ends up in Gryffindor). That trait might get fostered more because you are surrounded by it so much, but it doesn't have to define you or anything, either as a kid or as an adult.

There are a lot of problems with JKR's worldbuilding/inconsistencies, but this didn't seem to be one of them. And definitely some aspects of it can be read as a post-war dystopia; I never thought of it as a dystopia, but a society that was recovering from a brutal war and going through a massive transition and just not dealing with it well. There were a lot of problems with the Wizarding World - much of it highlighted in the books themselves - but it didn't seem problematic enough to warrant the title of "dystopia". o.O

Re: Am I the only one confused about what the OP's impressions of Sorting and Houses are?

(Anonymous) 2013-03-04 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree. It's really readers who have decided that the House you are sorted into means that's who you are forever and ever, when it seems that it really is just a school thing. There is nothing in the books to suggest that it really matters in the adult world. Think about it - we never know the House affiliation of many of the adults. We're only told when someone is telling one of the kids something about the character when they were in school. But we are never told Tonks' House, for example, or the other adults outside of the school. It's not like adults are still identified this way. Umbridge? Shacklebolt? Madame Rosemerta? Aberforth? Anyone?