[ SECRET POST #245 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #245 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 036 secrets from Secret Submission Post #035.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 ] broken links, 0 not!secrets, [ 1 2 ] not!fandom, [ 1 ] personal attack.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Saturday, September 8th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: here.
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Comments

[shahrizai.livejournal.com]

21. Or, you know, you can find your strong female figures. Hawkeye, Pirotess, Karla, Soi, Eugenie, Noin, Hikaru, Kendappa, Karen Kasumi, Ashe, Drace...yeah, so they might not have the most functional relationships, but yaoi is no better. They can all stand up on their own without a man, and for a lot of those characters, can kick some fucking ass on their own too.

[norrowa.livejournal.com]

Well... Noin might not be the best example there, because while she's an incredibly strong, kickass character, her relationship with Zechs is, um... kinda... unequal. To say the least -_- I mean -- Noin sacrifices her place as best in the class for the sake of Zechs' ego, which doesn't really read to me as "standing up on her own without a man".

Though I still love her XD

[shahrizai.livejournal.com]

Yeah, but she doesn't need saving, and her life isn't defined by Zechs. If he died, she wouldn't languish and mourn for the rest of her life. And if he tried to pull a 'I want to protect you, please leave the army for your own safety!' she'd say no and continue to hold her own. Besides, giving up 1st for Zechs hardly damaged her career - she got her pick of posting.

And it isn't as if there aren't male characters in other series that wouldn't do the same (or equivalent) for guys they care about. If Guts won a battle, he'd let Griffith take the credit for it. And look at Edgar and Sabin - Edgar gave up his freedom for Sabin.

[kristenell.livejournal.com]

I am going to agree with the commenter on top of me, because while yes she does do her best for Zechs' sake, (and honestly I think the stepping down thing is overemphasized, Zechs many times tends to downplay his own abilities, particularly in the beginning of the series, where this is learned, and so I think his analysis of what happened in his schooldays isn't completely concrete).

And as the commenter above me said, Noin acts independently of Zechs for a lot of the series. She stands up to him at the end. And while she doesn't believe he is dead, she seemed to be doing pretty well on her own between the end of the series and Endless Waltz.

And I don't think their relationship is that unequal, Zechs surely doesn't treat her as any less than his equal.

[kristenell.livejournal.com]

Oh so much word.