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⌈ Secret Post #2259 ⌋

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I haven't played Awakening and probably won't be able to, but I've played the rest of them. Well, except for 9 and 10, because like with Awakening, I can't afford it and they're kinda hard to emulate.

And I'm here to be one of the few who'll admit to disliking it (because idk where you hang out, since I've seen nothing but blind love for the game).

TIME TRAVEL? Uhhh...

Characters who look nothing like anyone in any of the previous games? I mean, the character designs are ridiculous. Some are okay, some are actually quite nice, but a majority are unnecessarily sexualized, skimpy, don't follow any kind of style (sure, we've had short dresses and thigh highs for ages, but I really don't see how a bra and some kind of transparent fabric over it is okay). In the previous games, you'd always have a sense that they're from the same world, their senses of style were similar. AND the outfits were mostly rather simple compared to other fantasy games. Now you have half-naked chicks, complicated heart-design garters and a feeling that the cast is a mishmash of rejected designs from Summonnight, Tales of... and so on.

Fucking beach and swimsuit side plots? Are the devs really that thirsty that they have to include that kind of fanservice?

I'm guessing it's because they're trying to go for a bigger audience. Creepy as fuck though, even with the dating sim aspect of it.

I don't mind most of the outfits, but I want to know who the hell approved Noe. Not just Noe's clothes, but Noe in general.

Nowi or Noh? There isn't any Noe.

Whichever one was the dragon who looked like she was ten years old, but could marry and have kids.

Nowi. I will admit I was a little shocked when she married Lon'Fu in my game. I hadn't realized at that point that S=marriage, and just figured they were going to go on playing their crazy game of house.

That said, she IS a thousand years old and says in some of her other relationships that part of her behavior is an act. We never actually get the background on manakete to know if 1000 is an adult, though...

Or Noire?

*wonders when she'll get to these sideplots*

Are they part of the paid DLC? Because those have been weird in games for AGES (see: downloading zombies for your paid "realistic" military shooter, etc), this is just the first FE game to include it to any large degree.

You are not alone in openly disliking it, I can't stand it for the same reasons you listed. Sure, it has its positive aspects and I have no doubt that some characters are interesting and the gameplay is fun but it just...doesn't seem like a Fire Emblem at all. Bikinis? S-support? babies? spouse!Eirika? sigh, I loved Fire Emblem because it was a little bit different than most fanservice-ish jrpg, even with supports and all, now all of a sudden it's even worse. ~~and with horrible armors~~

This said, I haven't seen all this hate for the plot itself?

Why do the babies weird everyone out? I mean, Genealogy of the Holy War already did that, and at least this time around they disallow incest.

Not really you can still get it on with your cousin

DA: Cousins are a cloudy point for definition of incest. After you get past "parents" and "silblings" different cultures treat it in different ways. Some also don't bother with parents and siblings, but it's a much smaller amount than disallow cousins...

OP

I'm wondering this too. It's not the first game to do it (and technically you can have incest marriages if you try at all for it or just mess up).

S-support? babies?

Looks like someone didn't play FE4.

I'm in chapter 22 and, like the anon below, haven't seen these sidequests. What am I missing?!

It's DLC that will be released later. And I don't know why everyone is getting in a tiff over it. I mean, for one thing it's totally optional, and for another...at least there's fanservice for men AND women. Not many games actually do that.

So, sorry but hell yes I will take my beach DLC with half-naked men and the haters can go cry in a corner for all I care.

Ok. That explains that.

Yeah.

Gotta say. "Optional silly fanservice" doesn't sound like anything particularly terrible to me.

TIME TRAVEL? Uhhh...

It's not the first RPG to use time travel and it won't be the last. In fact, one of the most praised games of all time, Chrono Trigger, is all about time travel. So what's your point?

Characters who look nothing like anyone in any of the previous games?

It's called hiring a different character designer and this happens all the time with long-running series'.

but a majority are unnecessarily sexualized, skimpy, don't follow any kind of style (sure, we've had short dresses and thigh highs for ages, but I really don't see how a bra and some kind of transparent fabric over it is okay)

The thing about style is subjective so I won't go there. But the "majority" are not sexualized. I will name every single recruitable character who has a revealing design:

Panne
Yarne
Nowi (admittedly, this is pretty ick)
Tharja
Olivia (what dancer doesn't though?)
Noire
Tiki

So that's...7. Out of 44 characters. That is NOT a majority. And I was being generous with a couple of those.

Fucking beach and swimsuit side plots? Are the devs really that thirsty that they have to include that kind of fanservice?

GRRRR NOOOO I HATE SILLY FUN THINGS THAT ARE COMPLETELY OPTIONAL

It's just...you admit you haven't played the game, so why even bother commenting? I mean, the only real negative complaints for this game that are reasonable are that the plot is mediocre/bad (WELCOME TO VIDEO GAMES) and that the map designs are lackluster. I actually agree with that one, but it hardly makes the game bad overall.

My point is that it's FIRE EMBLEM that has the time travel. I don't care about Chrono Trigger or any other game that might have time travel. I *like* time travel in general, my problem is that there's weird, nonsensical time travel in a FE game which is just... out of place.

Sure, but character designers had changed before FE13 and you still got a sense that it was the same FE world, not generic rpg #4056

Look, like I said before, not all designs are that bad. It's not so much the number of them, but the WAY that they look. And because they stand out so much, yeah, I might've gotten confused and thought there were more. Still.

For instance, it's way worse to be an archer without a breast guard and with cleavage, a witchy-looking person who is just wearing underwear, all the other bra+panties combos, whatever the hell DLC Micaiah's wearing, etc., than to have a sword fighter that's wearing a dress or a rider with thigh highs (both of which have been longtime staples in the FE games; nearly-naked dudes and ladies have not)

I would say that all the poses that have them bent over with their asses up in the air are also problematic, but let's leave that for another time.

YES GRR I HATE THEM. Who the hell cares that they're optional? The whole game is optional at the end of the day! Doesn't mean they don't exist. I mean, it's optional to play FE9/10 but that doesn't somehow mean that I can magically ignore that suddenly we have all kinds of animal people in the FE world.

The point I was making was not that other games have this stuff, the point is that it's Fire Emblem which has a long history, many, many different games with many wonderful worlds and until now they've more or less managed to keep away from this kind of generic fanservice-y rpg stuff.

Just because I haven't physically played it doesn't mean I don't know anything about it, though. I can't afford the console or the game, doesn't mean I have no way of researching what it's about.

IMHO, Awakening is to FE like what Dragon Song was to the LUNAR series. Different style, outfits that don't really fit in with the rest of the series, everything is new and shiny to bring in new fans, etc. Except in Awakening's case, it didn't backfire.

My point is that it's FIRE EMBLEM that has the time travel. I don't care about Chrono Trigger or any other game that might have time travel. I *like* time travel in general, my problem is that there's weird, nonsensical time travel in a FE game which is just... out of place.

But people flinging magic spells all over and turning into dragons are totally cool? Okay then. I don't think you have any say over what is or is not "out of place" in Fire Emblem. IS felt it belonged, therefore, it does. I mean the time travel in Awakening is essentially just fancy dragon magic, which has been in the series before.

Sure, but character designers had changed before FE13 and you still got a sense that it was the same FE world, not generic rpg #4056

It may be a more drastic change than usual, but trust me dear. The previous character designs were really, really not any less generic anime RPG than Awakening.

I would say that all the poses that have them bent over with their asses up in the air are also problematic, but let's leave that for another time.

By "all the poses" I think you mean "one pose of one character" and by that you mean "Panne." And she's pretty awesome regardless, so.

YES GRR I HATE THEM. Who the hell cares that they're optional? The whole game is optional at the end of the day! Doesn't mean they don't exist. I mean, it's optional to play FE9/10 but that doesn't somehow mean that I can magically ignore that suddenly we have all kinds of animal people in the FE world.

Uh. I really can't even respond to this because it's just...so fucking stupid lmao.

Just because I haven't physically played it doesn't mean I don't know anything about it, though. I can't afford the console or the game, doesn't mean I have no way of researching what it's about.

Yeah. Too bad all you can't complain about anything actually important like, I don't know, the gameplay.

IMHO, Awakening is to FE like what Dragon Song was to the LUNAR series. Different style, outfits that don't really fit in with the rest of the series, everything is new and shiny to bring in new fans, etc. Except in Awakening's case, it didn't backfire.

No. The difference between Awakening and Lunar: Dragon Song is that one is a piece of shit that long-time fans AND newcomers hate, and one is an excellent game loved by many. I think you can figure out which is which.

The only complaint I have about the gameplay is 'why is magic so much better than absolutely everything else, especially Dark magic?'

Man, Pair Up was like. The best idea ever.

Panne, Severa and maybe Aversa's poses, though. And it's kinda stupid to say that she's awesome because that's beside the point. It's still problematic.

Why is it stupid? Something being optional to do/play doesn't mean it stops existing. It's up to me whether I want to watch the Transformers movies, but that doesn't mean that I can ignore all the sexist shit in them. Just like how just because someone might choose to not use those DLC, does not mean that the game DOESN'T have fucking swimsuit scenes.

Except I don't care about the gameplay. Why is it any more important than the characters? Sorry I am too poor to play the game and therefore can't have an opinion. The gameplay has never been important to me. I couldn't care less about stats or item triangles or who is or isn't overpowered or what the hell ever.

Look, I don't care that you like the game. I don't care that other people like it and I don't care that for many it's their first introduction to Fire Emblem. If they like it enough to start playing the other ones, great! Awesome, even! I don't mean to shit all over something you enjoy.

Hell, Gaiden is one of my favorite FE's and I know how annoying it can be when people rag on your favorite games.

And sure, just because I and a few other people dislike these new elements and feel that they are TOTALLY out of place in Fire Emblem, doesn't mean others don't enjoy them.

But right now, I do want to voice what I don't like about it and what (As is obvious in this thread) other longtime FE fans don't like about it.

Different anon...

I'm pretty sure you lose all right to an opinion when you say "I don't care about gameplay" in A VIDEO GAME. And I'm right there laughing with the other anon about your "I DON'T CARE IT'S NOT ACTUALLY IN THE GAME PROPER" flail. Just like with the Transformers movies or anything else, if you don't support it -and the other players don't support it - they won't release such a thing with future releases. It in no way impacts your gaming experience. It doesn't even come with the game as you buy it (not like, say, past "unlockable costumes" that were all the rage and often included ridiculously revealing outfits).

And I have seen a lot of video games. I have seen a lot of fanservice. What I saw in Fire Emblem was far, far, FAR less than I've seen in others. Panne has a perfectly good reason to go ass-up, which brings you down to one (that I don't remember noticing despite Severa being a large player for most of the chapters after I got her) and a "maybe". And the least you could do if you're going to bitch and moan about minimal fanservice is mention Vaike and Lon'Fu. Fuck this whole "fanservice is only bad when it's women" thing. I don't find EITHER particularly "problematic" and hate that word with a passion, but at least pay attention to the entire picture!

Why? Seriously, why the fuck? What am I supposed to say about the gameplay? What am I supposed to say about the gameplay in any of the FEs? That I like that vulneraries exist in some but not in others, or that you can rescue units in some but not in others? What do you even mean by *gameplay*? Feels like such a broad term. To me, if it's not an FPS (makes me dizzy), I'm fine. I don't care. As long as I CAN play it at all, as long as I have it, or can emulate it, or whatever - I'm honestly fine and I don't care.

I'm not saying that compared to other video games the fanservice is bad, just that compared to other FEs, compared to how the FE games are - it's a *lot*.

I would've mentioned them, but the anon who first listed the characters which they agreed might be seen as too-sexual, were all women iirc. So I kept up with that.

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Re: SA, yes i mad

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Bitchy anon from above, not LK anon

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The first thing I did with DLC Micaiah was class change her out of Dark Mage and hey presto she's not wearing that in her combat model anymore. The Tactician/Grandmaster and Sage models suit her much better.

Honestly, I got really irritated at some of the stuff before I played the game but you know what? That was before I played the game. The game itself is fantastic and you don't pay one whit to any of that during it. (With the exception of Tharja, but eh. I don't use her so.)

Researching...doesn't really cover the actual experience. At all.

Anyway. OP of the secret, I feel you. The game's new, so the haters are going to be louder for a while. Best to just weather the storm. I've seen the odd bit of positive/neutral meta on Serene's and Tumblr, so maybe try there.

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