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I really don't trust people so I usually say no. Sometimes if I have quarters I'll toss it to them from a distance but I don't like to even take out my wallet in front of random strangers. Lately where I live there have been people asking for money and then snatching your wallet and then using your information to look up your house and using your keys to break in. So I'm particularly paranoid right now.

And if I'm with other people I'm even less likely to say yes because if the other person senses I'm feeling guilty they drag me away.

But I give money to the Salvation Army people when I see them or if people are doing fundraisers or selling things on the streets I sometimes buy from them.

http://www.bilerico.com/2011/11/why_you_shouldnt_donate_to_the_salvation_army_bell.php

http://current.com/community/93983972_holiday-homophobia-charting-the-salvation-army-s-history-of-anti-lgbtq-politics.htm

http://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-salvation-army-volunteer-tells-gay-rights-supporters-not-to-donate-1.1081136

I can't speak for silverau or anyone else, but I give them money because I believe in their right to believe something I disagree with. If they refused to help LGBQT people, that would be a different story. But their desire not to include LGBQT people in their fundamental religious army isn't enough to keep me from donating to them.

but I seem to recall a hullabaloo about them refusing to let homeless lgbt people stay in their shelters unless they agreed to renounce homosexuality and seek treatment for it? Again, this is a vague recollection that could be off base or conflated with someone else.

For me personally I'm a little uncomfortable donating to them while they have a public anti-lgbt equality stance because their charitable activities serve a double purpose of gaining them positive publicity and potentially new followers. But then I do have a great local alternative to donate to and perhaps not everyone has that and the SA is the best they can do to help their community.

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I've heard people say that they've denied LGBQT people from staying in their shelters but no one has ever been able to back the claim up. I saw just the opposite many years ago when they opened temporary shelters to people who lost their homes to a hurricane when the Red Cross and National Guard were overwhelmed and couldn't provide shelter to everyone. I remember being told to avoid getting placed with them because they mandated bible study for anyone they helped but we didn't have a choice. I spent almost two weeks in one of their tents and it was identical in appearance and operations to the RC and NG tents.

There's this story about a man who claims that he and his boyfriend were refused help unless they agreed to break up and attend church. I'm not sure if that's a story you've already encountered (and feel isn't backed up enough) or not, and I don't know enough to say if it is accurate. But if you hadn't seen a specific account, well, there you go.

Thanks for sharing this because I hadn't seen it before.

I wonder how much of what happened had to do with the time, the locality, the personal beliefs of the person they talked to, and how much had to do with the organization as a whole. There's probably no way to know for certain, which is a shame. Is this an isolated incident or organization-wide practice? If they really are discriminating against LGBTQ people, I think the world should know the details so we can change it or have the organization's favorable status changed/revoked in the countries where they operate.

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of it is dependent largely on factors you bring up, like the locality and the individuals. I'm sure not everyone with the Salvation Army would do this to people. But even if it happens at all, I think it's still a problem with the Salvation Army as a whole. They're responsible for setting standards, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are some people in the organization who believe that the Salvation Army's values justify prejudice against LGBT people. If that isn't what the organization as a whole supports, I think they need to work harder to set the record straight--both with the public and within their own organization.

It's also a problem, I think, with religious-based charities becoming the main source of help for people. Many religious charities are wonderful, and I think they're a valuable resource. But there's always a risk of people being denied help, or being forced to do things that conflict with their own beliefs and values in order to get it.

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