[ SECRET POST #2275 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2275 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[maverickz3r0]

I'll go out on a (not at all precarious) limb here and say they don't see it as really 'real.' It's the same as people who fawn over fictional serial killers and villains. Except to those of us who actually do realize it's real, it's about a billion times more creepy because the people the actual dictators killed and had killed were, actually, real, people.

If this is true, in other words, it doesn't surprise me but it does sadden me.

[(Anonymous)]

na

I was following a serial killer ARG a while back, but then it hit me that those things happen IRL too and I just couldn't continue.

[(Anonymous)]

If you're talking about people who lived 500 years ago, you really cannot apply modern value judgements to their actions. It's not that it wasn't really real, but that it took place in such an Other society that ethical judgements become pointless (it becomes meaningless and not very useful to describe almost every monarch of most of history a war criminal, for instance).

[maverickz3r0]

I'm not. I'm applying them to the modern day people who glamorize that sort of thing and forget that happened to actual people.

[childings.livejournal.com]

Eh, yes and no.

It depends on whether or not the person in question was really acting in accordance with the values and social mores of the society they lived in at the time. I also hear this argument all the time used to dismiss racists or bigots of the past few centuries when there were plenty of people living in the 18th and 19th centuries who disagreed with prevailing racist or bigoted attitudes and knew objectively that they were immoral.

There's also the fact that at lot of these historical figures were despised in their own time by their own people, so

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, sure. I'm thinking of someone in the 13th century because I happen to be obsessed with them at the moment, so the values and social mores were profoundly different. One could only judge most of the great barons as more or less brutal than each other, really, but it was a pretty damn brutal world for everyone, kings included.

[childings.livejournal.com]

Ah ok. Well yeah, you're right in that case. Who is it, BTW?

That's just something that pops up a lot in regards to American history in particular that always grates on my nerves.

[(Anonymous)]

Sir Roger Mortimer (the 1287 - 1330 one), so I'm doing a lot of reading on the 13th/14th c.