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⌈ Secret Post #2275 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Anyone excited for new Doctor Who episodes?

[(Anonymous)]

The older Doctors could be dickish to humans and to not really understand them, but the thing is -- that made sense. The Doctor is one person. His personality changes drastically, but he's the same guy and retains the same lessons he learned in his previous regeneration. He grows up over time, across incarnations, not just within them. Nine and Ten are suffering the fallout of Eight's actions, not their own incarnations,' but they treat it as though they feel they themselves did it, because they DID.

The older Doctors are often weird with humans because they're younger, and more ignorant, and less experienced, and haven't learned as much about them as the newer Doctors have. Even so, they know they're ignorant about humans. Sometimes they don't care that they're ignorant, but they don't go around being all pop-culture savvy and up to date on the latest developments and shit, yet still make pointless comments about how they understand humans sooooo much better than humans understand themselves. The whole point is that they think humans are weird because they don't understand them yet.

OTOH, in light of Nine and Ten's attitude towards humans, there's just no real reason for Eleven to have those traits you've mentioned. It doesn't make sense, and nothing happened to make him that way. It's not like Ten was murdered by bloodthirsty humans who let their own stupidity and selfishness get the best of them and betrayed him. Nor did anything else happen that you can point to and say "oh, look, there it is" and know that it made Eleven cynical.

I don't mind Eleven being cynical and disparaging on principle, I can think of plenty of reasons that he could have developed into that, but I do mind the fact that even though it makes no sense for him to be like that, his behavior is usually backed up by the story and therefore the message is "humans suck, only a few smart guys who are inherently better than all of you can save the day, get out of the way, god damn why are you always making the poor Doctor's life so difficult by getting attacked when he knows so much better than you".

None of the stuff like Ten grousing at UNIT for most of a two-parter, only for them to prove him wrong in the end by coming up with their own ideas and for him to be delighted at being proven wrong. Or all the geniuses just walking out on Rattigan in disgust when he tries to convince them to come with him and let the earth suffocate. Or the Doctor pinning his entire big rescue plan on his belief that the petri dish clones on New Earth would choose to de-infect everyone else of their own free will.

I disagree about Eleven not walking into a gas chamber for Wilf though. Whatever else, he's always willing to sacrifice himself for other people. And to be fair, he'd probably be a lot less bitchy about it than Ten was even given the same emotional circumstances. But I don't think he'd tell Wilf that it was his honor to die for him, because why would it be an honor for him? He never gives any indication of feeling honored to help other people. He does it because his conscience wouldn't let him do otherwise. He'd do it because that's the kind of thing the Doctor does, even though Moffat never bothers to show us how he feels about it, because feelings aren't important, apparently.