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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-04-04 06:34 pm

[ SECRET POST #2284 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2284 ⌋

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gobbledigook: (Default)

Re: Bioshock 2 Racism Wank

[personal profile] gobbledigook 2013-04-05 03:07 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think the game is racist, but as far as this wank goes I think the anti-sjw side is way crazier and unpleasant.

It's like they know they can just scream "sjw this sjw that" whenever someone tries to talk or criticize anything and frankly that's incredibly stupid and annoying. It might be because I seem to not come across SJW without making any effort to seek them out, whereas the anti-sjw are everywhere, always complaining about their fun that's being always ruined.

Also white fans telling black people off for being upset at the racism on the game. Can we not.

Re: Bioshock 2 Racism Wank

[personal profile] sugar_spun 2013-04-05 03:27 am (UTC)(link)
Gamers are particularly obnoxious at refusing to acknowledge that there could be anything sexist, racist, or homophobic in games. Or covering their ears to it whilst simultaneously telling you to shut up and stop overreacting. It only gets worse if it's about a popular game.

Re: Bioshock 2 Racism Wank

(Anonymous) 2013-04-05 04:16 am (UTC)(link)
Well...as much as it hurts to say this [as a gamer myself] a lot of gamers at the very least *act* like sexist, homophobic and racist asshats when online. So it's possible that they don't see it that way or have been desensitized [for lack of a better word]towards it.

Not all gamers, of course, but...well...A lot do.
chardmonster: (Default)

Re: Bioshock 2 Racism Wank

[personal profile] chardmonster 2013-04-05 07:11 am (UTC)(link)
Also white fans telling black people off for being upset at the racism on the game. Can we not.

I'm not going to decide not to engage with a person's publicly shared opinions based on their background.

The first scene of blatant racism in the game is jarring and upsetting and ought to be as that is the point. Racism is gross and wrong and upsetting and people shouldn't be so terribly upset when it is presented as gross and wrong and this has an upsetting effect.

Would it be better to have yet another trashy steampunk setting where we just kind of ignore racism? "Yes, the past was awesome! Corsets and mustaches!"
Edited 2013-04-05 07:12 (UTC)

Re: Bioshock 2 Racism Wank

(Anonymous) 2013-04-05 08:40 am (UTC)(link)
I like this comment.
darkmanifest: (Default)

Re: Bioshock 2 Racism Wank

[personal profile] darkmanifest 2013-04-05 09:12 am (UTC)(link)
I would imagine "telling them off" and "not engaging whatsoever" are two different things. Like, there's a difference between just disagreeing, and swanning in and holding court like because one doesn't agree with the upset, or feel the upset themselves, that therefore means any upset is inherently ridiculous and shouldn't exist. Granted, this has less to do with race than with some people being pretentious fucks by nature, but has struck me, personally, as particularly obnoxious when people with majority representation in the media being argued over do it against minority critics over, and over, and over again, in the same ways, often with the same arguments. It's eerie, sometimes.
gobbledigook: (Default)

Re: Bioshock 2 Racism Wank

[personal profile] gobbledigook 2013-04-05 12:40 pm (UTC)(link)
yes yes I agree
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Re: Bioshock 2 Racism Wank

[personal profile] gobbledigook 2013-04-05 12:40 pm (UTC)(link)
What publicly shared opinion of theirs are you referring to though? If a black person is upset at a game having racism on it and decides not to play the game because of that, what is even there to engage?

I think people should always have the final say in what media they consume. It's perfectly reasonable to me that someone who experiences racism might not want to spend their free, personal time playing a game that shows them something that they already know is gross by personal experience.
chardmonster: (Default)

Re: Bioshock 2 Racism Wank

[personal profile] chardmonster 2013-04-05 03:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Wait, what? I think you misunderstood me. Maybe I misunderstood you too.

I'm talking about people who insist others not play it, and condemn the writers as racist for including racism in a game that takes place in 1912. I'm not talking about condemning people for not playing a game! You're right, that'd be awful.