[ SECRET POST #2286 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2286 ⌋

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Comments

[charming_stranger]

No, I think allies need to speak up more often in not-specifically-lgbt spaces.

[dazzledfirestar]

Even in those cases, they shouldn't be speaking over the people they're trying to help.

[charming_stranger]

Certainly not. But I think the problem of self-proclaimed allies being less than helpful is nowhere near as serious as the problem of people letting homophobia, transphobia and biphobia happen -- because it's easier that way, or because they're afraid they'll say the wrong thing.

[(Anonymous)]

i don't believe in allies nor do i want them anywhere near me

if you are not LGBTQ, you do not have a right to talk about LGBTQ issues. you are not an ally, you are the het/cis enemy. talking about LGBTQ issues in non-LGBTQ spaces is only harmful -- the so-called "allies" get good feelings from their appropriation and the rest of the world is too fucking bigoted to care so it's pointless.

[(Anonymous)]

nope sorry all people have a right to talk about all issues insofar as they're issues of justice, and principle, and humanity, and abstract right

that doesn't mean that they have a right to be in every space, or that personal experience doesn't give knowledge and experience which makes some people more knowledgeable than others, or that you should keep talking while being an ignorant asshole. but there's literally no issue which some people don't get to talk about.

[(Anonymous)]

"if you are not LGBT...you are the het/cis enemy"

Excuse me? Don't be ridiculous. Having a certain gender identity or sexual orientation does not automatically make anyone an enemy of anyone else.

[dragonimp]

Wow, really? I'm not allowed to support equal rights because I'm not gay? Does that mean I have to change the way I vote? Do I have to un-donate some money, too?

[kaijinscendre]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That is all.

[(Anonymous)]

This is better than performance art. *munches popcorn*

[charming_stranger]

"The het/cis enemy"? Really? Wow, way to make self-fulfilling prophecies. Straight people may be your enemy, but they sure as hell aren't mine (I'm cis, so cis people obviously aren't). When some people make ___phobic comments, those who disagree - yes, they do exist - need to say something, even if they happen to be straight and/or cis.

And if you think people shouldn't talk about LGBTQ issues in non-LGBTQ spaces, then whato you think this discussion is? Last time I checked, f!s wasn't specifically a community for LGBTQ issues. Neither are places where laws are made, changed, passed or challenged, so your idea of where people get to talk about LGBTQ matters seems like a surefire way not to bring about any changes whatsoever to society.

[(Anonymous)]

if you are not LGBTQ,

Really? I never get to talk to my little brother about his life ever again then? Because YOU say so?

You're going to be awfully lonely in the world, you keep thinking like that.

[wauwy]

shhhhhhhh, it's so rare to see these creatures in the wild nowadays, you guys

[dazzledfirestar]

But if those self proclaimed allies don't LISTEN when someone they say they want to help says "No, that's not true, that's offensive", I have to doubt their sincerity. And believe me, I wish it was such a tiny little problem.

[cloud_riven]

Exactly. I might like to give folk who consider themselves allies the benefit of a doubt, but I hate and very nearly want them to fuck off once they start with, "Oh, so you mean I can't talk about this now, is that it? I'm not allowed to have opinions???" or whatever other bullshit that tries to paint themselves as completely in the right with whatever misguided junk they want to spout.

[dazzledfirestar]

Yes! Exactly! It's like anything else. If you're willing to listen and learn, welcome! Awesome! Great to see you! But if you're going to act as if someone is oppressing you for saying "No. That's not how it works"... well, get your activist merit badge somewhere else.

[(Anonymous)]

Christ, this is why I can't stand other queer activists.

This is not a real problem, and half the time I see this it's someone spewing some dumb shit, an ally rightly pointing out they're wrong, and them getting their knickers in a twist. Identity politics r dum yo.

[dazzledfirestar]

Right. What color is the sky in your world?

Being told I'm not REALLY queer by a straight person is bullshit. Just as it would be if another LBGT* person said it. If I call them out on that and get a lecture from them, yeah. I'm going to doubt their motives. And it happens all the time if you're outside the binary. So, enjoy your corner of the world I guess. Your experience and mine seem to differ greatly.

[(Anonymous)]

I am outside the binary.

Let me guess, this is you failing to understand passing privilege right?

[dazzledfirestar]

No, I'm well aware of passing privilege. I've been on both sides of it. This is me saying that one person's experience not being exactly like yours does not mean it's not legitimate.

Have a nice evening.

[(Anonymous)]

are they really an ally if they say that?

I mean, really?