[ SECRET POST #2291 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2291 ⌋

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Comments

[sarnath]

That's pretty much what Daleks are; they were people once. She'd been converted into one, and was at one point even starting to attack him. The Daleks "pounding on her door" to get in, was the conversion working at her mind, and eventually it would have succeeded. The difference in how he reacted to her compared to the other Daleks he's run into says a lot, though, I think.

But yes, I'm saying that he can't be wholly rational when it comes to Daleks (or in Clara's case, looking like a Dalek and almost completely turned into one) because of his personal experiences with them. I half expected him to ask her to come with him anyway, but I understand why he couldn't. Maybe not the right choice, but an understandable choice.

[(Anonymous)]

That's pretty much what Daleks are; they were people once.

That was never true until "Asylum of the Daleks". The Cybermen were people once - not the Daleks. The Daleks are, y'know, aliens.

Why Moffat decided to cross the streams and fuck with the entire continuity of Doctor Who (hi, uh, Skaro, when did you exist again? OH WAIT YOU SHOULDN'T but let's not bother explaining that!) when he could have done a marginally less horrific Cyberman story is still beyond me.

[intrigueing]

ExCUSE me aliens are people too. But yeah, while the Daleks were technically "people once", they aren't like Cybermen, they were bred from mutant Kaleds and genetically engineered into Daleks and propagated over generations. It's not like each individual Dalek was an individual person once before being turned into a Dalek.

Especially now that technically, all the Daleks in existence are supposed to be the new super-pure-cloned Mighty Morphin' Dalek Rangers since the Rusty-brand war survivors all committed suicide. But that's not the case anymore for...some reason. Did they ever explain that? It's been a while since I saw Asylum...

[sarnath]

As far I understand it, the specialised Daleks weren't the only type to come out of the egg thingy? They're still present in "Asylum", but the regular look is still dominant. But no, it's not specifically explained.

[sarnath]

No, the Daleks were people, albeit a long time ago. Alien people. The ones in existence (that we know of, more may pop up at any time, this are Daleks we're talking about, after all) are from the egg in "The Victory of the Daleks". That is, descended from the early "pure" Daleks.

As for Skaro existing, they must have just met there before its destruction, just like in the 8th Doctor film. Or the planet the Doctor destroyed wasn't Skaro after all (though that's only in a spinoff).

The thing is, I think Doctor Who at its core is a very uncertain canon prone to change at any time. A very few things stay happened (and even they can sometimes change in some ways!), but most do not. It's something one can like or dislike, but it's a one of the major premises of the show.

[intrigueing]

I think Skaro was locked all along its timeline in the Time War along with all the Time Lords and Daleks who didn't find a loophole out, otherwise there would have still been pre-war!Daleks living there still killing people in the accessible past, so it's not really just a matter of traveling back in time to "before" it's destruction, because its entire timeline was destroyed in the war from even before Seven blew it up.

And....er, no? It's not a major premise? It's a major feature, through a culmination of writing decisions and errors, but not a major premise, and especially not in the new series, where story continuity is a much bigger consideration. The problem isn't that Doctor Who has subject-to-change canon, it's more that being subject to change without any explanation or acknowledgement doesn't fly regardless of the reasons. Like, there has to be a reason why the Doctor is suddenly interacting with loads of Daleks living on Skaro when the planet only exists in a past timeline that is supposed to have been frozen out of time-travel-accessible reality.

Now, mind you, a sudden bullshit asspull retcon would be perfectly acceptable as that reason, but there has to be some reason, not just "here it is." Or at least a "bwuh???? how????" reaction from the Doctor acknowledging that he shouldn't be able to access Skaro. I mean, that's like Gallifrey suddenly always-existing-without-destruction with loads of Time Lords on it.