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LOL where do people GET this stuff from?? I don't even understand!

STOP LISTENING TO CRAZIES ABOUT RELIGION!

Belief in the supernatural is not exclusive to outspoken fundamentalists.

The belief that one is immortal, that one can never die? That's not something I've ever heard any level-headed person say, religious or otherwise. Religious people may believe in a manner of reincarnation or existence after dying but that's NOT the same as immortality.

Look, my beef with you is this. You keep saying that there's a right way to do religion, but you haven't articulated what it is. Apparently, belief in an immortal soul is okay. Why does that belief become insanity if the immortal soul is wolf-shaped?

Apparently, belief in an immortal soul is okay. Why does that belief become insanity if the immortal soul is wolf-shaped?

Well-put, thank you.

In my opinion, it's the species crossover. In my particular religion, I believe that the soul is the essence/form of a thing. It's what makes that thing what it is. I am a human. A human in the very real physical sense. Therefore, it makes sense that any immortal soul I may have is also human. My essence/form is human. If I were a werewolf, it would make sense that my immortal soul would also be a wolf. The essence/form of a wolf is a wolf soul (cuz I don't sign on to the belief that animals don't have them). But a human is not a wolf. A human is a human. Therefore, the jump from human physicality to wolf essence/form is not really something I'm willing to buy.

And this is all assuming that werewolves are real, which (as far as science has shown) they are not. And of course someone will say that I'm already not giving science much credit by believing in a god anyway and I just have to tell whoever that is that being religious doesn't mean I can't apply logic to my beliefs or argue from a scientific premise.

A tree is still a tree once it dies. Any essence it has is tree, even after it's made into tables or paper. It doesn't become a whale.

I'm a Therian and a Reincarnationist. I believe that my soul has been a multitude of things, and has learned a multitude of lessons. I'm human now, with a 'human' soul (In so much that a soul can be limited by physical form), but I also have a soul that has, at one time, been a wolf. It 'remembers' it is Wolf. It's part of the whole that is Spirit, and may have some trailing essence of Wolf to it.

But, that's just my experience. And why I believe what I do.

Just out of interest, what, then, is thy position on religions such as Buddhism and Hinduism, that explicitly include belief in reincarnation into other-species bodies? Are they as invalid as the belief of some otherkin that they have a soul that belongs in an other-species body?

You can't argue with people who think their belief in an all-knowing, invisible, homophobic overlord is somehow sane.

My all-knowing, invisible, overlord is not homophobic.

Sure he's not be because he's make-believe and he can be anything you want him to be. Just like the bible basher who stands outside my local train station who says god hates gays, thats just as valid because its another take on a make believe character and thats what he wants him to be. There is no 'one true canon' on fictional god, though the wars over which one is correct sre truly spectactular.

So, are you saying I'm wrong and an idiot for not believing God is homophobic? That I should suddenly become a homophobe because some idiot bible basher you've seen has a different opinion than me?

Your idea of what right is rather amusing.

The belief that one is immortal, that one can never die? That's not something I've ever heard any level-headed person say, religious or otherwise.

"I am the resurrection and the life, he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Cthullhu Fthagan!"

My belief in ever-lasting life is really no different that a science's 'conservation of matter' theory. I don't actually think I'm always gonna be me, just as I am now, for the rest of eternity.

But what your personal beliefs are =/= what you've heard any level-headed person say, religious or otherwise, unless we're classing a whooooole lot of religious sorts as not level-headed.

Actually it is. In all my life, I have never yet met one person who reads the Bible literally. Every single person I've ever met understands the Bible as a metaphor, a holy text that uses the poetry and intricacy of language to talk about something for which there are no proper words. It seems that my experience is very different from yours though. Not surprising considering how belief can differ drastically even over the smallest distances.

"Every single person I've ever met understands the Bible as a metaphor, a holy text that uses the poetry and intricacy of language to talk about something for which there are no proper words."

http://bible.cc/leviticus/18-22.htm
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What kind of poetic metaphor might this be?

http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/11-9.htm
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Or this?

http://bible.cc/leviticus/24-14.htm
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Ah, I truly have no words for this shit. So you're right about that.

You... have not met many people, methinks.

I don't believe everythign in the Bible is literal - things like the prophetic dreams of Daniel and Revelation are very metaphorical in their imagery, but I am a Creation Literalist. I'm also a Noah's Flood, Plagues of Moses, and other Genesis story literalist.

We exist, and not all of us support the worst of modern fundamentalism.

So how do you pick which bits should be taken literally?

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mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com - 2013-04-13 14:03 (UTC) - Expand

If only the bible was as cool as a Lovecraft novel...

If you actually read the old testament, it's got a decent amount of Game of Thrones-style stories. And Revelations is pure mushrooms and acid.

If you read the good parts, yeah.

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/12002.htm (skip to verse 23)
http://www.drbo.org/chapter/07003.htm (skip to verse 21)
http://www.drbo.org/chapter/09018.htm (skip to verse 25)
http://www.drbo.org/chapter/02004.htm (skip to verse 24)
http://www.drbo.org/chapter/48011.htm (skip to verse 11)
http://www.drbo.org/chapter/02033.htm (skip to verse 16)

From someone who's been an atheist since about forever, it's kind of hard to draw the crazy line. I mean, there are those who are obviously crazy and unrepresentative, but all of you believe in things that I believe to be fundamentally impossible and difficult to put a coherent structure to. It's kind of hard to pick out who's reasonable and who's out and out delusional. I'm not trying to be an asshole here, I just genuinely have no frame of reference for which Christians all the other Christians laugh at.

Also, the crazies are usually louder than everyone else.

If they addressed religions on their own terms they wouldn't be able to make hilarious jokes about how thousands of years of cultural background is the same as a unicorn, mainly.

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