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This is spoilery as shit but in book three it's also revealed that Tysha (Tyrion's wife) wasn't a whore and was in fact raped by all of Tywin's men who had sex with her and Tyrion himself. Yes, I understand there's an argument to be made that she would have been raped even if she had been a whore, but that's not the way the book presents it. It's rape either way, anyway.

I hope you don't mind but I used your answer verbatim. Thanks :)

No problem. I forgot to mention it but IDK if he's current with book five, there's a major rape storyline in that book.

Here's the thread in question:

http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128127&p=2183171&viewfull=1#post2183171

I'll admit, I don't really disagree with the basic point that I think (some of) the rape scenes are part of the larger "realism" framework and that I don't actually begrudge GRRM writing a fantasy history based around the War of the Roses that goes into the kinds of horrors that women of that time actually experienced. I've never really liked the "but it's fantasy!" argument because I think that's sort of missing the point: the whole idea is to apply real-world paradigms to the world of fantasy and I don't have a problem with rape being a thing in that context.

That said, those people are being giant dicks (what the fuck is "domestic rape" and why is it any different?) and I agree that there is way more and often more gratuitous rape than there needs to be. Lollys, in particular, was really awful in the books and I'm glad they cut it out of the series.

I am getting really really pissed off at that thread. What's worse is I know I'm never going to have any backup.

Do you mean this series, or fantasy as a whole? Because I'd argue that it's not the *entire* point of the fantasy genre.

As ashamed as I am to actually know what they're referring to...'Domestic rape' is a term some people use to refer to rape between spouses. It's different because some people believe that it either isn't 'really' rape because the two people involved are together, or that it's the [usually male] spouse's right to do that if the other [usually female] spouse isn't willing to 'do their duty], as fucked up as that is.

I mean the point of ASOIAF specifically.

And no, I know what it's supposed to mean, but it's a disgusting term of apologia especially in this context.

Ah.

I agree - particularly since I've had to live through 'domestic rape' it actually pisses me off quite a bit to see them dismissing it because of it.

oh man I forgot about that, that's a big one.

really not sure what the person dethtoll's arguing with, is watching or reading but there's rape everywhere pretty much.

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