[ SECRET POST #2306 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2306 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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06. http://i.imgur.com/oVNCgcT.png
[kind of porny, illustrated, Hetalia]


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[Pokemon]


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09. [SPOILERS for Kingdom Hearts]



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10. [SPOILERS for Spartacus]
http://i.imgur.com/OtBhrXi.png
[gore? kind of, i think, live-action]


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11. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]



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12. [WARNING for rape]



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13. [WARNING for child abuse]



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14. [WARNING for loli/shota]



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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #329.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[intrigueing]

He doesn't do it to just female characters. He's pretty equal-opportunity with his sadism.

[(Anonymous)]

Really? How many of his MALE characters are forcibly impregnated against their will? How many of his male characters are slut-shamed by other characters? How many of his male characters ended up teary eyed and torn up before they're allowed to "be strong"?

When he writes a strong female character who ISN'T punished for being strong, or who isn't strong BECAUSE of how often she was beat down,, I'll believe his declarations of feminism. Until then, his work speaks for itself.

[intrigueing]

Well, none of that stuff could be allowed for a male character on TV could it? Mind you, I'm not saying that makes it alright or that his stories have no gender problems, because he certainly didn't have to choose those particular methods to tear them down, but don't pretend he doesn't put his 'strong' male characters through the ringer and tear them down as well. *cough* especially on Angel *cough* I was responding to mechanosapience's implication that he just wants to tear down female characters because they're female and that's the only reason they're strong, which is...no. He just likes to tear down characters, period, because he thinks that's the most interesting way to explore them. And yeah, the way he tears them down aren't problem-free.

[(Anonymous)]

How many of his male characters ended up teary eyed and torn up before they're allowed to "be strong"?

Xander.

Wesley.

Oz.

[(Anonymous)]

Wash.

[insanenoodlyguy]

Angel. Don't forget the guys backstory is he was basically a angst-n-grief stricken hobo for decades.

[(Anonymous)]

Pointing out the other side of your argument since the anon above me focused on the men.

When he writes a strong female character who ISN'T punished for being strong, or who isn't strong BECAUSE of how often she was beat down

Uh.

Natasha and Cordelia.

Natasha is a master assassin for two different governments, and comic book canon says she became so EARLY, but nothing about becoming so because of being beaten down. judging by her conversations with Clint and Loki I'm guessing that while Wheadon!Widow is very different from comic!Widow, that much remains the same. And he chose to write her that way, because, well, look at Hawkeye. He's comic!Barton in name only.

Cordelia was the least beat-down of any of the Buffy characters. Sure, she went through hell in a handbasket, as did everyone, but she was never torn apart like the others. Instead she started off as a snooty kid and slowly turned into a strong, capable woman who could look a murderous vampire in the eye and tell him to fuck off.

[insanenoodlyguy]

I don't think you can really count Natasha though, because Joss did not create her backstory.

[(Anonymous)]

As I said, he chose what to use. Widow has been retconned as much as anyone, and all the movies have changed drastic portions of their canon. Since Clint is not Clint, Thor has no alter-ego and Bucky is a proper adult instead of a teen I posit that Whedon DID create Natasha. Especially seeing as she's much better than in IM2.

She has been an abuse victim,she has been a brainwashed automation, she has been a slut. Joss took a little from column B, I think, and none from C and nothing no to I cable from A.

[chardmonster]

If you want to watch a supernatural show where nothing bad ever happens to strong female protagonists I hope you enjoy your Magic School Bus because that's all you can handle, nice friendly children's television.

[darkmanifest]

I want to watch a supernatural show/book/movie where the bad things that happen to strong female protagonists aren't the same damn thing all the time, usually centered around them being female somehow. People just...aim at the vagina and work something out from there. I mean, just waterboard her or something, cut off an arm, maybe, just stop with the rape and demon pregnancies already.

[(Anonymous)]

Have you seen this?: http://www.homeonthestrange.com/view.php?ID=4

[darkmanifest]

I have, indeed! Great comic.

[(Anonymous)]

People just...aim at the vagina and work something out from there.

Terrible joke set-up aside, this seems to explain how the below comic panel ever happened (although it's technically not a... typical bad thing to happen):



Geez, though, I'm realizing how hard it is to think of any straight-up supernatural story that fits the criteria you wrote (assuming supernatural here = ghosts, werewolves, zombies, vampires, etc., where there's some horror aspect to it). Even when it's not blatant, there's so often subtext... Now wishing even more for that alternate-dimension version of Shaun of the Dead that follows his friend Yvonne through her zombie slog.

[darkmanifest]

I felt like I'd seen this comic panel somewhere before and blocked the memory for my own good, and it turns out I had and now I resent you for the reminder.

Now that I think about it, zombie stuff is one type of supernatural media where the bad things that happen to women are less likely to be sexual, since zombies have no sex drive, so, there's that, at least. Milla Jovovich has done, what, thirty-seven Resident Evil movies without vagina-related escapades.

[sagelazarus]

And now I suddenly want a gritty remake of the Magic School Bus where all of the kids are in college and they all happen to take a course that goes on a field-trip-gone-wrong.

That would be amazing.

BIG ASS IMAGE

[insanenoodlyguy]

Re: BIG ASS IMAGE

[sagelazarus]

Oh my god, I don't think I should have laughed quite that hard

You are my inspiration

[forgottenjester]

Is this what you're looking for?

[sagelazarus]

OH MAN, that is PERFECT.

That would make a fairly great movie, I'm pretty certain!

[forgottenjester]

I'm glad to have been of service. :)

I know, I would watch it if this was a real movie.