[ SECRET POST #2306 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2306 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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06. http://i.imgur.com/oVNCgcT.png
[kind of porny, illustrated, Hetalia]


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09. [SPOILERS for Kingdom Hearts]



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10. [SPOILERS for Spartacus]
http://i.imgur.com/OtBhrXi.png
[gore? kind of, i think, live-action]


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11. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]



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12. [WARNING for rape]



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13. [WARNING for child abuse]



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14. [WARNING for loli/shota]



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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - posted twice ].
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Comments

[mechanosapience]

I sometimes wonder if part of the reason he creates strong female characters is because he enjoys tearing them down.

[(Anonymous)]

The only thing he enjoys tearing down more than characters is viewers.

--Really, give him long enough, he destroys all his characters. Messily.

[kaijinscendre]

I sometimes wonder if part of the reason he creates strong female characters is because he enjoys tearing them down.

FTFY

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, I feel like he tears down all his characters in one way or another, because "happy people make for boring television", (and bad things happening to Buffy doesn't count, because she was the main character, things had to happen to her.)

[(Anonymous)]

yeeeeah he does that to EVERYONE tho... he's just kind of a sadist with writing - which hell I get it. it's become a bit old meme, but I get it.

[(Anonymous)]

they might be torn down... but they get right back up

because shit fucking happens. sure he introduces a supernatural element, but if you strip that part away it remains realistic. life will throw shit at you but you can survive it and be as strong as ever.

it'd be one thing if he was introducing female characters and fridging them all. but he presents them with challenges, amazing ones, and they always come out fighting. the male characters too.

[intrigueing]

He doesn't do it to just female characters. He's pretty equal-opportunity with his sadism.

[(Anonymous)]

Really? How many of his MALE characters are forcibly impregnated against their will? How many of his male characters are slut-shamed by other characters? How many of his male characters ended up teary eyed and torn up before they're allowed to "be strong"?

When he writes a strong female character who ISN'T punished for being strong, or who isn't strong BECAUSE of how often she was beat down,, I'll believe his declarations of feminism. Until then, his work speaks for itself.

[intrigueing]

Well, none of that stuff could be allowed for a male character on TV could it? Mind you, I'm not saying that makes it alright or that his stories have no gender problems, because he certainly didn't have to choose those particular methods to tear them down, but don't pretend he doesn't put his 'strong' male characters through the ringer and tear them down as well. *cough* especially on Angel *cough* I was responding to mechanosapience's implication that he just wants to tear down female characters because they're female and that's the only reason they're strong, which is...no. He just likes to tear down characters, period, because he thinks that's the most interesting way to explore them. And yeah, the way he tears them down aren't problem-free.

[(Anonymous)]

How many of his male characters ended up teary eyed and torn up before they're allowed to "be strong"?

Xander.

Wesley.

Oz.

[(Anonymous)]

Wash.

[insanenoodlyguy]

Angel. Don't forget the guys backstory is he was basically a angst-n-grief stricken hobo for decades.

[(Anonymous)]

Pointing out the other side of your argument since the anon above me focused on the men.

When he writes a strong female character who ISN'T punished for being strong, or who isn't strong BECAUSE of how often she was beat down

Uh.

Natasha and Cordelia.

Natasha is a master assassin for two different governments, and comic book canon says she became so EARLY, but nothing about becoming so because of being beaten down. judging by her conversations with Clint and Loki I'm guessing that while Wheadon!Widow is very different from comic!Widow, that much remains the same. And he chose to write her that way, because, well, look at Hawkeye. He's comic!Barton in name only.

Cordelia was the least beat-down of any of the Buffy characters. Sure, she went through hell in a handbasket, as did everyone, but she was never torn apart like the others. Instead she started off as a snooty kid and slowly turned into a strong, capable woman who could look a murderous vampire in the eye and tell him to fuck off.

[insanenoodlyguy]

I don't think you can really count Natasha though, because Joss did not create her backstory.

[(Anonymous)]

As I said, he chose what to use. Widow has been retconned as much as anyone, and all the movies have changed drastic portions of their canon. Since Clint is not Clint, Thor has no alter-ego and Bucky is a proper adult instead of a teen I posit that Whedon DID create Natasha. Especially seeing as she's much better than in IM2.

She has been an abuse victim,she has been a brainwashed automation, she has been a slut. Joss took a little from column B, I think, and none from C and nothing no to I cable from A.

[chardmonster]

If you want to watch a supernatural show where nothing bad ever happens to strong female protagonists I hope you enjoy your Magic School Bus because that's all you can handle, nice friendly children's television.

[darkmanifest]

I want to watch a supernatural show/book/movie where the bad things that happen to strong female protagonists aren't the same damn thing all the time, usually centered around them being female somehow. People just...aim at the vagina and work something out from there. I mean, just waterboard her or something, cut off an arm, maybe, just stop with the rape and demon pregnancies already.

[(Anonymous)]

Have you seen this?: http://www.homeonthestrange.com/view.php?ID=4

[(Anonymous)]

People just...aim at the vagina and work something out from there.

Terrible joke set-up aside, this seems to explain how the below comic panel ever happened (although it's technically not a... typical bad thing to happen):



Geez, though, I'm realizing how hard it is to think of any straight-up supernatural story that fits the criteria you wrote (assuming supernatural here = ghosts, werewolves, zombies, vampires, etc., where there's some horror aspect to it). Even when it's not blatant, there's so often subtext... Now wishing even more for that alternate-dimension version of Shaun of the Dead that follows his friend Yvonne through her zombie slog.

[sagelazarus]

And now I suddenly want a gritty remake of the Magic School Bus where all of the kids are in college and they all happen to take a course that goes on a field-trip-gone-wrong.

That would be amazing.

BIG ASS IMAGE

[insanenoodlyguy]

[forgottenjester]

Is this what you're looking for?

Holy giant wall of text, Batman!

[elephantinegrace]

Actually, seeing your icon reminds me of a (very short-lived since s/he probably didn't see the post I made) argument I had with someone on Tumblr about how Natasha was the only one visibly afraid of the Hulk, and that meant that she was a BAD ROLE MODEL NO WOMAN CAN BE WEAK EVAR! But I thought it was amazing because everybody had some shortcoming that prevented them from being a good team member, and hers was the Hulk. Besides, the fact that she overcomes that fear later on and works with Bruce makes her a way stronger character than if she had spent the entire movie not afraid of anything. Because she grew from her experience; all the heroes did.

Re: Holy giant wall of text, Batman!

[(Anonymous)]

And as we saw from Natasha several times over the course of the movie, including her opening scene, her CONSIDERABLE power lays in pulling the wool over people's eyes; appearing how THEY think she should appear (not to mention being fucking badass). She does it with the general at the beginning, she does it with Bruce when they meet in the shack, and she does it with Loki.

You can't reason, bargain or manipulate the mind of a giant green rage-beast. I'd be scared too if I was facing down a couple of tons of rage that was impervious to the weapon I was most comfortable with.

Re: Holy giant wall of text, Batman!

[truxillogical]

Exactly. It's like saying a character is weak because they're afraid of walking down a corridor with a gatling gun at the other end--it doesn't matter how smart, strong, and skilled you are, if that thing goes off, you are dead.