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agree/disagree

Moot point because it can't exist without context.

I consider it valuable in itself. But then I also think that this is not an opinion, just a feeling, and so I can't really agree or disagree with the statement. Rational arguments here only go as far as one makes them to.

define truth

define valuable, too

(then again I guess if I have to ask "what truth" and "to who" or "how" means my answer is "no")

Edited 2013-04-27 20:29 (UTC)

/only flat "no" in this thread wow

I've always thought so, and kind of wish more people did.

I guess if you're a spy and you're playing two or more sides against each other, yeah.

yes and no.

Yes. The discovery, or knowledge, or attainment of truth is a valid end.

Theoretically, yes. This is why cognitive dissonance is so uncomfortable, because things we have always felt to be true true are being defied and turned on their heads.

Which leads me into:

Truth is relative. Find one that works.

I do agree. But, I also realize some people do not appreciate the truth, and some truth are really painful (without really contributing much to anything).

Can't give a straight answer. The Platonic idea of Truth appeals to me, but I can't help but feel that it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more complicated than that, and I don't want to start pondering the meaning of what we understand by "truth" like an edgy Postmodern hipster.

Also "Agree/Disagree", and for such a theme, is really Manichean.

Curious: why did you use the term "Manichean"? I mean, there are plenty of philosophical and religious systems that require to make a clear distinction between good and evil/to state clear and unambiguous opinions, and Manichaeism is one of those we don't really know anything about. There are almost no original sources.

Edited 2013-04-27 22:10 (UTC)

My apologies. I used the term for the modern meaning, of dualism and the (false) dichotomy between polar opposites (for example: "good/evil") with no shades of gray. I have weird friends and it's a word we frequently use while engaged in this kind of discusions. So I didn't think about the religious connotation the sentence could bring forth. Sorry.

Ah, I see. It's fine) No one from my circle of acquaintance uses it this way, and I only know of it because of my interest in philosophy, that's why I automatically assumed it was related to the ideology itself.

Agree. Without accurate knowledge, one cannot make informed decisions.

Truth is valuable. I don't like to go into "the" truth.

This is not a Dreamwidth response.

Maybe to those people who get bothered when they just don't know something, but in general...no. Truth/lies are valuable only for the consequences each has.

Depends. If it's a white lie [IE: 'I love the sweater you gave me Auntie!' while hating the sweater? No, not really. It would just hurt your aunt's feelings] or if it's a situation where telling the truth would just make things worse [someone having a complete panic attack asks you a question where a truthful answer would make them panic even harder], then no. It's not valuable because it only causes unnecessary bad things. Otherwise, yes.

It's perfectly possible to think that the truth is valuable in and of itself, and to think that it's acceptable to tell a white lie or not tell the truth when it would make things worse. If the truth has value, that doesn't mean it's the only thing that has value; you have to weigh the value of truth against the value of whatever outcome revealing it will lead to. To put it another way, if truth is an end in itself, there are still other ends and you have to find some kind of compromise between them or choose one end or another; truth being an end in itself doesn't mean that it's the highest end.

so I agree with you, but I don't think that your position means that truth being valuable depends on anything. It's always valuable; it's just that sometimes other things are more valuable.

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