[ SECRET POST #2314 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2314 ⌋

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Comments

[vongroovy]

He has a lot of fans, so you're not alone! I wish I could like him more.

While his sexism does have some bearing on my dislike of him, my biggest problem is that I just find his writing really weak. In the past he's written some things that I thought were excellent and that I really connected with, but I find everything he's done lately a bit tired and relying too heavily on the same tropes and lacking an emotional connection. Most of it just seems like really bad storytelling. I think he has so much more potential and talent than his recent writing would suggest, and it's disappointing when his writing just falls flat for me.

[(Anonymous)]

This! "The Doctor Dances", "The Girl in the Fireplace" and "Blink" are all in my top 10, probably. But I haven't consistently liked his writing for a long time now. I've basically stopped watching Doctor Who now. I've seen a couple of episodes of 7b and I really like Clara (which is more than I could say for Amy, Rory or River) but it's not enough to keep me interested. And I find it very difficult to get 're-interested' in a show once my investment has faded and I've not been interested in DW since Moffat took over.

[vongroovy]

I like Clara's clothes more than I like her character, which doesn't say much for the writing this season.

"The Doctor Dances" is the best. That two-parter is what really sold me on new Who, and it's still my favourite of the new series, and probably in my top 5 of all Who stuff. Just so good - it was funny and scary and moving and so satisfying. The problem with Moffat now is that he's always like, "Oh, wait 'til you see it, it'll be so heartbreaking, you'll cry so much." But things aren't sad just because he says they're sad, and he can't break my heart if he doesn't make me care about his characters first, and keep caring about them. "The Angels Take Manhattan" didn't make me cry, it just made me relieved that the Amy-Rory-River era was over - and I really liked Rory, at least (and had liked Amy and River to start), but the longer their story dragged on the less I cared about them.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Whereas I disliked all of the episodes named above. Girl in the Fireplace was extremely disjointed, though I guess it was meant to be, in some sooper-SYMBOLIC way IDEK. And Blink was William Gibson's Pattern Recognition (or a third of it, anyway) with the serial numbers filed off. And all of the darkly absurdist humour of the original completely excised.

[vongroovy]

I like Blink well enough, but I've not read Pattern Recognition, so I can't judge it in comparison. I completely agree about Girl in the Fireplace though. I've never understood the love that episode gets because I thought it was such a mess, tried to fit way too much into the time it had, and, looking back, was the first indication of what a boner for timey-wimey gimmickry Moffat has. I rewatched it recently thinking maybe it was better than I remembered, but no.

[(Anonymous)]

How about Empty Child/Doctor Dances, though? I'm hard-pressed to think of a single major thing wrong with that episode, it was so awesome. Maybe because there wasn't any timey-wimey stuff, and RTD probably dictated a lot of what Moffat had to do with it, what with establishing Jack's character and the progression of Doctor+Rose's relationship and all.

I like everything about Girl in the Fireplace apart from the content, weirdly enough. Like, the concept and framework is brilliant, but almost every actual scene of the episode would have been better if it was completely different. I didn't hate it for disjointedness though, I liked the disjointed feel. I hated it for Earth's timeline being saved by stopping a pre-Revolutionary French aristocrat and her aristocrat associates from being killed by evil mindless knee-jerk clockwork monsters who wanted to behead her for reasons that were purposely portrayed as nonsensical and irrational and pointless and laughable. Thanks for the classism, Moffat. So very subtle.

[fauxkaren]

I don't mind the plot of TEC/TDD, but omg. Rose is so OOC in TEC. Like she's so ~taken~ with Jack that she can't even hold a conversation? Yikes.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh I dunno, I don't think it was so OOC for a 19 year old girl to be temporarily charmed off her ass by a dashing military officer who just saved her life. It'd be stupid if she then went all lovey for him long-term, but it was just a brief giggly phase that was meant to be funny and slightly out of the ordinary.

However, I'll give that that's when you view the episode in a vacuum. In the context of Moffat, all his other genderfail has this unfortunate side-effect of making viewers side-eye anything of his that's even slightly suspect.