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as juvenile as it is, I can't exactly blame her for turning almost transphobic in the wake of that event

Eh, I don't think someone gets a free pass to hate and fear or "almost" hate and fear an entire subsection of humanity because of some jerks on the internet.

Otherwise, well said.

They threatened her child over a stupid Justin Bieber joke.

Her kid.

That's really fucked up, and if you don't think that Grey was justified in being turned off by that large contingent of tumblr, you need to stop, and think about what you'd do to anyone who threatened someone you're close to.

"Being turned off by (a) large contingent of tumblr" =/= "fearing and hating an entire subsection of humanity for the way they were born".

Either this was phrased tragically poorly and "transphobic" isn't what was meant, or no, no it isn't in anyway even remotely justified.

so it's okay to be transphobic if someone threatens your child?

what

No, but a couple of things,

1. is there actual proof that this turned incident made her transphobic, or is that just what ~tumblr is saying

2. she made a stupid joke, and get dogpiled to the extreme, with people threatening her, her family, her kid. They accused her of being transphobic and transmysoginist and a ton of other things.

now, if you made a stupid joke, and had a ton of people jump on you and threaten your family for it would you think "oh wow, they must have a point and I should stop" or "wow, they're overreacting" and in response do anything you can to get away from them, because they're a bunch of shitheads.

I am responding directly to the comment saying 'I can see why she'd be transphobic after someone threatened her kid' so

and thinking 'man they are overreacting' or 'man I did not deserve this response because of my ignorant joke' isn't even in the same universe as being transphobic so not sure why you're conflating the two

It's not okay but it's understandable. Humans tend to roll like that.

I don't think she deserves a pass to be transphobic. I'm just saying that most likely, she didn't have much experience with trans issues or interaction with (openly) trans people in her life. Then suddenly, a lot of people either directly from or connected to this subset of humanity were attacking her and threatening her loved ones. That's not a good first impression to go by, or second or tenth or hundredth one. She's not right in hating them, but she's not wrong in being scared of them either.

THAT is why I hate SJWs. We lose allies because of them, they turn potential allies into almost guaranteed enemies, especially during a time and stage when we could really all the allies we can get.

please stop talking

if a white woman is mugged by a black man, is it okay for them to hate and fear all black people? no. does it happen? yes. is it part of a larger social and economic issue? also yes. but saying 'oh no I totally get why they'd think that way - gosh black people couldn't you have come up with a nicer way to broach interacting with this white person?' is so fucking...

just... stop

if a white woman is mugged by a black man, is it okay for them to hate and fear all black people?

Nope. Never said that. In fact, I'm pretty sure I just said that my example transphobic blogger doesn't get a free pass to be transphobic because of what happened. If your proverbial white woman starts making racist jokes and perpetuating racist stereotypes, then damn right I'm going to tell her to knock it off. But if a lot of black people start harassing her and threatening her, then I'm going to be telling them to back off, too.

It sucks that so many of us grew up surrounded by hatred and vitriol and marginalization, but there's nothing we can do about what's already happened. You know what we can do? Make sure our kids, our little brothers and sisters, and our descendents don't have to deal with the same shit that we did. The ends don't justify the means, but neither do the means justify the ends.

Maybe I'm a cold-hearted bigot for saying this, but I am far more interested in stopping future bigotry than getting justice for the bigotry that has already happened and can't be erased just by yelling about it.

how the fuck do you think future bigotry~ is stopped if not by addressing past and present issues?

and it's fucking easy to be concerned with ~the future of our children~ but too hard and messy to be concerned with the issues we are currently facing today. I'll just stop caring about being abused and assaulted so that my children's children will magically be free of it since that's how social justice works. oh wait.

god you are so privileged and arrogant and willfully obtuse

Addressing past and present issues is saying, "Hey, that joke you made was offensive. This is why [insert explanation here]. I know it seems like a small thing, but it's really hurtful [insert supplemental explanation. (Please) Don't do it again."

It is not, "FUCK YOU, YOU TRANSPHOBIC ASSHOLE, I HOPE YOU AND EVERYONE YOU LOVE DIE A SLOW AND PAINFUL DEATH!" That doesn't address jack shit.

If I'm privileged, then what are you, exactly, considering you are apparently able to ignore the welbeing of those around you and those in situations marginally similar to your own for the sake of making yourself ~feel better~ and satisfying your mindless raging lust for the blood of the people who are probably open to equality but genuinely don't realize that they are perpetuating the exact opposite? It must be nice to look at all the minorities surrounding an online persona in real life and saying "FUCK YOU!" to them by attacking this one person online until they hate anything to do with social justice. Really, that accomplishes so much progress.

Edited 2013-05-16 05:37 (UTC)

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man you are dense. If a white woman gets mugged by a black man, sure, there's a chance she's going to veer toward being racist. Is it okay? NO. Can we see understand how she got there? Yes! Understanding =/= supporting. The woman has the problem and needs to change, but when she's been victimized people aren't always rational.

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