[ SECRET POST #2330 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2330 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

She isn't Rapunzel's mother. And she doesn't love her. She loves the hair and the power and the promise of eternal youth.

[(Anonymous)]

But she IS her mother. Adoptive mothers are still mothers, you know. I kind of didn't like how in Tangled, one of Rapunzel's points of independence is "You're not my real mother!"... I think who raised you is your parent more than who birthed you.

that being said, obviously she was a horrible mother. I do think she loved Rapunzel, but she loved her hair so much more and was naturally a terrible person.

[(Anonymous)]

you're not doing modern adoptive families any favors by equating abduction with adoption!

nurture vs nature isn't really the point. in this particular story, you could maybe even argue that in gothel's mind, rapunzel DID become her daughter in a sense, and you can certainly argue that rapunzel became the person she is when we meet her in the story because of her upbringing.

but gothel as her mother / any kind of posterwoman for nontraditional families? gross.

[fadeinthewash]

I doubt anon you were replying to was calling Gothel the "posterwoman for nontraditional families." Like, at all. Just that placing the emphasis on biology rather than abuse when calling out Gothel is... less than great. I mean, unless we redefine "real parent" to be mutually inclusive with "good parent." Which I guess we could.

[(Anonymous)]

god it's like once upon a time fandom wanking about regina all over again

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Uh, I wasn't trying to make her a posterwoman? I'm talking about definitions, that's all, I'm not sure if you're trying to change what I said or what. Gothel DID raise Rapunzel from infancy, took care of her, taught her, etc. I would say that makes her the mother.

But doing those things does not make a good mother, an okay mother, or even a bare minimum mother. Obviously she was using Rapunzel, obviously she had ulterior motives (even though I personally do think Goethel probably loved her, but that's not enough). but that doesn't not make her a mother figure for Rapunzel.

I am bothered only by the isolated event of Rapunzel's "you're not my real mother" referring to her discovery of her blood origins. I don't blame Rapunzel, hell, I cheered her standing up to her. but blood origins doesn't make a mother either, and we should hate Gothel because she was emotionally abusive to Rapunzel, not because she "wasn't her mother." And Rapunzel needs to free herself from her, not because she "adopted" her but because she's a bad person who hurts her.

What I'm trying to say is that the focus should be on her being a bad mother, not "not really her mother". Because that's what real people face, and why Goethel is such a realistic villain.

[(Anonymous)]

She literally crawled through a window in the dead of night to snatch a baby. This isn't even like OUAT, Rapunzel's parents didn't want to give her up.

[(Anonymous)]

never seen OUAT, but just wanted to say, technically she crawled through a window in the dead of night to steal the baby's hair. She wasn't planning to snatch the baby, until she realized that the hair didn't work when cut off. I think, in her mind, she made the best of a bad situation.

[(Anonymous)]

Best of a bad situation? She STOLE a baby. She could, you know, just deal with her impending mortality like the rest of us and die.

[(Anonymous)]

uh

adoptive mothers are mothers

kidnappers do not become parents you're supposed to love and obey because they kidnapped you what the fuck even