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[ SECRET POST #2333 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2333 ⌋

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I don't think the fandom is all that active anymore, but yeah -- there was a huge focus on Ezra. Worse, the fics usually rehashed the same plot over and over again.

IA. Jane Elliot in fanficrants was the one who said people in that fandom must have said "Hey, I like that fic. I think I'll write one just like it." and they did, over and over again.

I liked Ezra as a background character but I stopped reading anything Ezra-centric when I figured out so many of his fans hate the other characters on the show. And he's the canon racist of the group. I don't even.

I liked Ezra as a background character but I stopped reading anything Ezra-centric when I figured out so many of his fans hate the other characters on the show. And he's the canon racist of the group. I don't even.

Kinda this. I loved Ezra, and I'll admit that I favour Ezra-centric stories, but he was the canon racist. I thought it was actually pretty well done, that it was appropriate for his character and where he was coming from, that he slowly shifted over the course of the series, that it only really showed up when something out of the ordinary happened ('Manhunt', for example, where Ezra just sort of casually reminds the audience that in his POV anyone not white is only decent after they've personally proved themselves to him). It was a fascinating element to his character, and his developing-but-troubled friendship with Nathan was a truly fascinating thing to watch.

But then I kept meeting fics where people randomly made Nathan into a frothing evil bigot who hates all white people and makes Ezra suffer because of his accent, presumably to disguise the fact that in canon, Ezra's usually the one jumping up and down on Nathan's issues about slavery and servitude and taking people's honest money (what else is slavery?). Most of Nathan's issues with Ezra in canon come from episodes like 'Working Girls', where it looks like Ezra's advocating selling working girls to rich husbands as a sort of more permanent john, or 'Chinatown' where it looks for a minute like Ezra's actually bought himself a slave girl, or just the general fact that Ezra's a pretty self-professed thief and conman who swindles people out of the little money they make because he's slick and white and better at playing the system than they are, and coming from where Nathan's coming from that's going to push some buttons.

TL;DR Ezra's my favourite and I like a lot of stories starring him, but as soon as we start getting random evil!Nathan or evil!Chris who just don't understand him, I'm gone. Especially Nathan. Ezra is awesome, but most of the joy of his character arc was watching him grow from that slick, self-obsessed man who wouldn't ride with a black man and abandoned a village to its fate in the pilot, someone still obsessed with playing the rich southern boy the way his mother taught him to, into someone who would ride with anyone to defend anyone, who kept his word and valued friendship and gave away his precious money to help a Chinese girl go to her family in San Fransisco even though he loved her and wanted her to stay.

If you're just going to have always-a-saint Ezra, what's the point?

sa

Ezra wasn't my favorite character but I liked him a lot, and his arc *was* well done. It wasn't even the bad fic that turned me off the fandom, it was the Ezra fans. Their common hate of the other characters doesn't only show up in their fic, it shows up in discussions and feedback to fic that *doesn't* star Ezra. How dare the rest of us not like what they like, I guess? Or ship him as hard? Or write him the way he is in canon because that wasn't the real Ezra? I don't know. Not all the Ezra fans are crazy, but a lot of them are either convinced he *was* the show, or they act so righteously angry that he wasn't the main focus of every episode, it's hard to enjoy a fandom like that. A lot of other fans who left the fandom feel the same way I do: Love the show, hate the fandom.

OOOh... that's actually pretty interesting.

I love how self-aware this secret is. OP knows it's probably going to end up in the fail bar, but submitted it anyway! That is adorable.

(No, I'm not being sarcastic. I really do find it adorable.)

Sorry, Ezra's my favorite - he's fun and funny and pretty and he dresses nice and he's a little bit of a scoundrel and his vulnerabilities were nicely showcased. That said, the man is definitely not a saint. And if anyone is the lead character, it's Chris, but it was an ensemble show.

but what is your book supposed to be called?

somethings of shield or agents of something?

because 'agents of organization' is extremely generic. what saves it in this case is the SHIELD bit since that's the buzzword since it's a well-known fictional organization spanning a lot of popular media. so if you're calling something in your book SHIELD that's going to be problematic in that sense.

Agreed. That being said, if it's a similar title just because of the structure or the words agent and shield without "shield" referring to the name of an organization, you might be all right. There are a lot of titles similar to each other out there, and depending on when you get into the publication process, the show might have already faded away (not that I'm hoping it does poorly!)

honestly I've been cringing over the name since it was announced. why not just call it SHIELD? or hell even just Agents idk. 'agents of shield' sounds comicbookish I guess but in the cluttered old-timey not-good way

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If you're talking about the characters and not the actors, I'm on board.

I can't speak for this fandom - I've never seen the source material - but most fandoms tend to have one or more not-main characters that become really huge in it. I know in most of my fandoms that's been the case, and the smaller they are they more the 'breakout' fandom darling tends to take over.

A good example is actually the Zombies, Run! fandom - there's actually a ship of two minor characters that's pretty much taken everything over [with the exception of one ship involving the *other* fandom darling].

As an above anon mention, the Jane Elliot bit of non-pretentious meta, with a great discussion in the comments about the Woobification trope with The Magnificent Seven fandom's "Everyone betrays Ezra and treats him like shit because they think he did something terrible but he's actually innocent and does wonderful heroic stuff and suffers in silence and horrible things happen to him and then when they see how badly hurt he is Everyone Is Sorry and Grovels For His Forgiveness" (a trope that crops up constantly in alllllll kinds of fandoms wrt certain characters that the fandom gloms onto in an Ezra-ish way).

It's here: http://epic-rants.livejournal.com/38734.html

Buffy/Spike fans take note, although they won't.

I don't see it, possibly because he's the only character on Elementary that I don't like. Convince me.

1. Gregson is a super handsome silver fox with the sexiest, gruffest accent this side of the Atlantic, *swoons*
2. They have ~chemistry~~~
3. They can bond over being exasperated by Sherlock together!
4. He obviously cares about her, see [SPOILER] one of the most recent episodes where he tried to convince her to go back to being a sober companion to stop her from being hurt through her association with Sherlock.
5. Did I mention how attractive I find Gregson? Because Aidan Quinn is a very, very attractive man.
6. ... Sorry, I got distracted thinking about Aidan Quinn again. What was I saying?
7. ?????
8. Profit!

All of this. Don't care that it's subjective, I am all on board and undocking immediately ♥

Seriously, every time they have a scene where they actually interact, I find myself going, "Yes. Talk to her some more. Give him sass, Watson. Now smoulder and kiss. Yesssss."

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Keep submitting it anyway. If the publisher likes the story but not the title, they will give you a new one. And then you can say "Okay" and roll around in your giant piles of money.

Tomorrow When The War Began!
I love it so much. I wish enough people saw it to make the fandom huge. There's so much potential for fic and discussion.

Ellie/Homer I can take or leave, because I love their friendship too, and because I liked Lee so much.

Homer is my favourite though. I want to build a shrine dedicated to him, and then burn it.

Other pairings I like after seeing the movie:
Ellie/Fiona
Robyn/Chris

Oh man, I didn't even recognize the film from the cap, and I haven't seen the movie in ages but it was so great. I met someone irl who had seen it and pretty much died.

I wish they had made the sequels ):

Yeah :(
When they started talking about making number two again here, the cast members said they were too old to play the characters now.

I am willing to suspend my disbelief. Just doooo ittt.

Yay another person who has seen it!
My RL friends all read the books with me when we were young. I miss having people to talk about it with.

Ahh, I also loved that movie but didn't recognize it. :( Such wasted fandom potential. I've been meaning to read the books but based on the movie alone, I love Ellie/Fiona.

I love this movie too. I'm sad about the lack of a fandom. And I like that pairing too :)

i shipped it as well

i shipped it so much

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