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Comments

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[baxaronn]

Maybe not a lobotomy exactly, but "removing autism" from someone would make them a completely different person, probably against their will.

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[(Anonymous)]

oh god, you're one of those people. Look, autism isn't a character flaw that makes a person worth less, but it IS condition that creates actual hindrance for people who have it, and I hate that we apparently live in a world now that is so fucking PC that we can't acknowledge that and hope/dream of some living in a world where it can be eradicated.

Also, nice job reducing people to their disability.

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[baxaronn]

Do you maybe want to reconsider condescendingly explaining autism to an autistic person? That would be really great.

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[(Anonymous)]

No not really. Because being autistic doesn't preclude you from being called out on bulshit.

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[(Anonymous)]

Though it does give them the right to say that given the choice, they would rather remain autistic.

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[(Anonymous)]

but it doesn't give them the right to shout down, talk over, or insult those of us who WOULD cure it if we could

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[(Anonymous)]

Please shut up. You are embarrassing actual sane people with autism.

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[(Anonymous)]

I suffer from autism and would have it cured in a snap if I could.

So fuck you.

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[(Anonymous)]

Um, I'm not getting why this is a bad thing? No matter how you try to sugarcoat and flower it up, autism is a neural disorder that affects normal communication, social, and (and sometimes) learning skills. If there was a way to ensure that children didn't have it, then I don't see the problem. If they released a pill right now that ensured that children would never be born autistic (or could "fix" the disorder in at a young age) then I'm pretty sure everyone would be on board with that.

Autism personally isn't something I'd ever want for my children. If I had an autistic child I'd love them regardless, but I think it's every parent's wish that their child didn't have a mental disorder.

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[(Anonymous)]

Said much better than I ever could. Thank you.

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[baxaronn]

Most autistic people would not be on board with that.

My autism is not a disability. My inability to live on my own or to communicate verbally - those things are complications, sure, but they aren't all that autism is. (And verbal communication is overrated, anyway.) The problem isn't autism - it's the way allistics treat autistic people.

That is what needs "cured".

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[(Anonymous)]

Rock on forever, baxaronn. In comparison to my fiance's math and computing, it's me with the disability and I bet he could out-Arithmancy Hermione any day of the week.

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[(Anonymous)]

well I have autism and I'd take that pill 8 days a week so stfu

go back to the autism speaks web site and get pats on the back for our ~superpower~ (but don't expect to be on the board of directors or in a position of authority! that'd be just silly)

'alltistics' ugh

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[baxaronn]

Autism Speaks is the organization that agrees with you.

If you're going to go the "ugh SJWs and their buzzwords ugh" route, you might not want to get your side mixed up with my side.

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[(Anonymous)]

haha no

learn about autism from someplace other than tumblr before trying to fake it okay

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[(Anonymous)]

What does that even mean? I thought all this time you were snarking on autistics, but now I'm lost.

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[baxaronn]

Allistic people are people who don't have autism.

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[(Anonymous)]

it means they are stupid and childish

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[(Anonymous)]

You do understand that by saying someone getting rid of autism would make them a completely different person, you are saying that autism DOES define that person completely.

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[(Anonymous)]

Eh, idk? Based on what I've seen of autistic and esp. special needs people (I volunteer work with them every week) I'm not sure that they wouldn't be much happier and take it willingly? Those that are aware they're different seem to want to be more normal (I'm thinking of those that are higher IQ and better socialized than the ladies mentioned below--some of them I can't really tell the difference in until it's craft time and they need help cutting things out). Maybe some wouldn't. IDK.

And those that are so bad off that they just sit and grunt or run around and grab at things (I'm thinking of the 50 yr old ladies I work with occasionally who do this), I think they'd be much better off in the long run (would put their caretakers out of a job, but oh well). I don't think anyone would care if they were a different person--they'd be able to communicate their friends and family, etc.

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[baxaronn]

Those people who are "so bad off" can communicate. Grunting and grabbing at things is communication. Hand flapping, rocking, echoing other people's speech - those are all methods of communication. Verbal communication should not be the sole indicator of someone's ability to understand others.

(Also, the majority of nonverbal autistics can in fact communicate fluently when given the opportunity to do so. But most people don't bother to teach an autistic kid sign language, or give them a keyboard or AAC device.)

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[(Anonymous)]

DA.

So what you're basically saying is that nonverbal autistic people shouldn't be "cured", that they should be left to grunt and grab things by way of (ineffective) communication, because of...your pride?

It's wonderful that they can find ways to communicate regardless of being nonverbal, but I wouldn't wish that on anyone. And THIS is coming from someone who was born deaf.

No, I don't feel shame that I can't hear. The deaf community is amazing, and being deaf makes you experience things in ways the hearing can't even begin to comprehend. But given the choice I'd rather be able to hear, thanks. I'd rather not be so "different". I'd rather not have put my family into debt countless times because they had a hard time paying for my special education, and countless tutors, and so on. I'd rather NOT have to carry a pad and paper with me because in cases of emergency I can't communicate with anyone who can't sign.

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[baxaronn]

What I'm saying is that people should learn how to understand nonverbal communication, instead of deciding that people who can't communicate verbally are beyond help.

Autism isn't the problem. Society is.

(Also, if you were suddenly able to hear, that's all that would change. You wouldn't process all sensory information differently. You wouldn't process information differently. You wouldn't be an entirely different person if you were hearing.)

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[(Anonymous)]

autism IS A PROBLEM

everyone is not you so shut up

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[yeranonnyharry]

Likely you're a troll, but I'll say this anyway...

I've been majorly depressed for most of my life. Along with that, I've had severe anxiety and suicidal tendencies. I assumed that was my personality. I did not want to go on medication, because I would become someone else.

It got to the point where I could not live any sort of life. I dropped out of school. I couldn't apply for a job anywhere, much less hold one down. I stopped going out of my house because I was afraid that when I opened the door, someone might be outside with a knife. Some days I never got out of bed, I just cried.

Stuff happened. I went on medication. I didn't even care if I turned into someone else at that point, because I hated myself so much that anything, anyone else had to be an improvement.

Anxiety went away. Pretty sure no one wants to kill me. Depression is at about half its previous level. I've put in applications. I went to college. I made friends. I started living a life.

And I am still the same person that I was. The only difference is I don't have piles of horseshit in front of me, blocking my view of the world.