[ SECRET POST #2335 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2335 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Meh, I'm gay and I find the whole "I hate yaoi!" thing to be, I don't know, borderline offensive BECAUSE I think most western fans associate the term as two guys together in an anime (and sometimes not in an anime). I'm not saying you have to like it at all, but saying that all male/male pairings are something you do not support and actively hate, just ugh. Also, not all yaoi has strict seme/uke roles anymore - the genre is evolving, believe it or not, but if we label yaoi as any anime dude/dude pairing we like... obviously it's irrelevant.

Sorry, but secrets like these give me bad feelings.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Also, who says "homosexuality" except naive straights unfamiliar or uncomfortable with queerness in general. Uck, so clinical.

[(Anonymous)]

Or people who prefer to say homosexuality. Your POV on a word =/= every region's POV on the word.

[hiyami]

This, thank you.
Homosexual and heterosexual are the proper words, queer and straight are slang or at the very least colloquial language. That's what conducts my use of one term over the other.

[(Anonymous)]

not the anon above, but "homosexual" sounds bad because most people who use it say it negatively. unless it's used in an academic sense, it's what the haters like to use. So no, I don't really like it when straight people call me a "homosexual", proper or not.

[(Anonymous)]

Where I am, it's 'queer' that's used as a derogatory and homosexual/lbgt that's polite. So YMMV.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm HOMOSEXUAL and I obviously use the word on myself.
Why? Because I don't think there is a difference between a homosexual male ("gay") and a homosexual female ("lesbian") and everything inbetween.

Homosexual means "exclusively into own gender" to me. "Gay" means "slur heteros came up with" to me :P

[(Anonymous)]

But they didn't say all male/male pairings are something they don't support, they said they support homosexuality, hate yaoi (and it's fangirls) and prefer yuri. They're all obviously different things.

It's hardly borderline offensive. It's hardly offensive. They don't like the yaoi genre. Who the fuck cares. I don't like the yuri genre, which is more or less the same - fictional settings of gayness in a typically porno sense barring a couple of exceptions which don't matter because they're a couple of exceptions.

Your bad feelings need to get over it, so they don't like anime guy/guy? What of it? Yaoi is hardly supportive of RL homosexuality, it's a fantasy genre focussed around gay romance, they can dislike it. That's not offensive. Offensive would be hating it BECAUSE it's guy/guy.

Why yes I'm also gay.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, don't fucking tell me what is and isn't offensive. I've lived through offensive and then some because of my sexuality.

And seriously, "I hate yaoi", 99.9999% of the time, means "I hate gay pairings." Because that's what yaoi is and how it's used in the west. Yaoi is not one series, one set of tropes or one love story. Here in Japan, BL (which refers to what Westerners mean when they say "yaoi") is any relationship between two fictional guys that's typically written/drawn with a female audience in mind. Even doujinshi for non-anime series like Harry Potter are categorized as BL. in my experience it's the same in west, we're basically just talking about male pairings that women like, and some guys for that matter.

and when someone says "I hate that" it ONLY refers to the fact that it's two guys. because the bad tropes, the fangirls, and the shallowness exist in every orientation of romance, straight or not.

so damn right I can be offended if I want to be.

[(Anonymous)]

wow. how did you develop this ability to know everyone's motivations behind what they like and don't like?

it's amazing!

[(Anonymous)]

Anytime I hear "UGH I HATE YAOI" it tells me two things: 1) that they don't know what 'yaoi' is, because they're using it when they mean 'BL', and 2) that they've never read anything other than shit like Junjou Romantica and Koi Suru Bou-kun.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not offensive.

I loathe yaoi, but have absolutely no problem with gay people. Or canon gay couples. Really I just hate the obsession with sex and shipping, in ALL sexual orientations.

[(Anonymous)]

Fuck you for deciding for me what is and isn't offensive. Congratu-fucking-lations that you have "no problem with gay people", but you still loathe gay couples (canon couples still constitute yaoi if it's anime/manga).

[(Anonymous)]

so...would hating lesbian porn be the same as hating lesbians?

[(Anonymous)]

Since the OP specifically stated that they do not have a problem with homosexuality, then you can draw the conclusion that when they are talking about yaoi, they are not talking about homosexuality itself. If I said that I don't like Yaoi, because my experience with the genre includes poorly connected characters, shallow relationships, stereotypical assignations, then I really mean that I don't like Yaoi - the genre.

Mainly though, the OP is talking about the way fans of yaoi have destroyed the genre for them. It doesn't mean they hate M/M pairings, in general. Especially since they admitted to having enjoyed yaoi up to the time they had their bad experience.

You CAN be offended, certainly, but why not take the OP at their word.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

People seem to be living off of stereotypes they gleamed from yaoi 10 or 15 years ago. Believe it or not, Japanese media did not come to a standstill and cease changing after you cemented your opinions of "yaoi."

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

Hear, hear!

[(Anonymous)]

what

yaoi is a pretty specific subset of male/male pairings

[(Anonymous)]

To those above: Can anyone link to good, recent BL? Preferrably plotty? Honestly, sure I found good works, but most are the same as bad Harlequinns.
Yes, also gay here and nope, I don't like yaoi and yes, I've still seen the tropes prevalent nowadays. On the other hand, some gay dudes I know read it for the stereotypes ;), I guess different strokes for different folks. Though, you can't say that saying you don't like yaoi is suspicious from the start.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a gay guy who WRITES it.