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⌈ Secret Post #2340 ⌋

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Seems like you'll have to be the adult in this situation and just ignore her crazy statements, because honestly from this description is just sounds like she's looking for a fight/drama.

And let the chik-fil-a thing go. Not everyone who eats there is homophobic. Not a lot of people think boycotting does a lot/is pointless. It's more a difference of philosophy of protest rather than -phobic etc.

+1 on both counts

And let the chik-fil-a thing go. Not everyone who eats there is homophobic. Not a lot of people think boycotting does a lot/is pointless. It's more a difference of philosophy of protest rather than -phobic etc.

Not the OP but I completely disagree. I don't boycott CFA because I think it will do anything or 'has a point'. I know there are homophobic dicks in the world, I know that I most likely will not change their minds, and I have no illusions that boycotting them will cause them to go out of business. However, I can't bring myself to give money to a company that believes in things that I find so heinous. And maybe not everyone who eats there is homophobic but they at the very least find homophobia acceptable (assuming they know about the company's views; I find it hard to believe there are many people who don't after all the media attention, but I'm sure there are *some*).

but they at the very least find homophobia acceptable

Nope. Again, difference in philosophy and what boycotting achieves. Your philosophy is that by boycotting you are not giving money to homophobic people, others see it as pointless and a business as completely separate from the people running it and their opinions. So one could completely disagree with the owners views but still see absolutely no point in boycotting the business.

I'm not saying one is right or wrong, just that eating there isn't evidence of homophobia.

ayrt

Nope. Again, difference in philosophy and what boycotting achieves. Your philosophy is that by boycotting you are not giving money to homophobic people, others see it as pointless and a business as completely separate from the people running it and their opinions. So one could completely disagree with the owners views but still see absolutely no point in boycotting the business.

Again, I have no illusions that boycotting them will 'achieve' anything. I know that it *won't*. I just don't feel right about giving money to a business that believes the way they do, regardless of what my boycotting them will or will not achieve.

eating there isn't evidence of homophobia.

And like I said, I didn't claim that everyone that eats there is homophobic, but they don't necessarily think there's anything wrong with it, either. Let's switch gay people with black people and imagine that CFA donated to the KKK. While every single person that eats there might not be racist themselves, they at least find it acceptable to be racist. Whether or not you think boycotting a homophobic company will do anything or not, I can't imagine giving them your business if you really, genuinely believe homophobia is wrong.

Like I've been saying, difference in philosophy. You believe it means one thing, other people believe it means another thing.

So I guess LGBT people who occasionally get a nugget meal must be really fucked up, huh?

DA

The thing is, that company gives money to groups that lobby against gay rights, and that lobby overseas governments to make homosexuality a capital crime. If you give them money for their chicken, they will use some portion of that money to lobby for gay people to be marginalized and executed. I'm not sure how a person can willingly spend their money at a business that they know makes donations to such organizations without implicitly supporting or being okay with their money going to support those ends.

anon from above

Exactly. I don't understand how people don't get this.

I don't think it means they find homophobia acceptable; it means they think you can still deal with people who are homophobes, or at least with business that they own and get profit from. That's the crucial point, I think. It's not a question of finding homophobia acceptable; it's a question of how do you respond to and deal with homophobia. And especially, I think, how does that response manifest in our daily lives, in interactions that are neither public political matters nor personal emotional relationships. And there's a lot of legitimate different answers to that question, I think. It's not at all an obvious easy answer. It's a complicated world.

And the fact that someone has not gone for the fundamentalist response and cut Chick-fil-a out of their life - the fact that someone disagrees with you about the proper way to respond to homophobia - does not mean that they are either homophobic or down with homophobia.

(I mean, it's all academic for me; I've only eaten at Chick-fil-a once, and it literally made me throw up. I'm just saying.)

...I'm not sure how choosing not to financially support a corporation that donates to lobbying groups that work to make homosexuality a capital crime in Uganda is a "fundamentalist response."

I don't think it means they find homophobia acceptable; it means they think you can still deal with people who are homophobes, or at least with business that they own and get profit from.

In my opinion, that's pretty much the same thing as finding it acceptable. That having that view is something that should be accepted. And to me, it's not. Ever. In any circumstances. Period. It seems like a lot of people think 'oh, *I* don't hate gay people, but if people do it's a totally legitimate difference of opinion' and I'm disagreeing with that. It's not a totally legitimate difference of opinion, it is *wrong*. It's no different than being racist. These days most people seem to recognize that racism is flat out unacceptable without exception but there's a double standard in that that doesn't seem to apply to sexual orientation as well.

And the fact that someone has not gone for the fundamentalist response and cut Chick-fil-a out of their life - the fact that someone disagrees with you about the proper way to respond to homophobia - does not mean that they are either homophobic or down with homophobia.

If you know that by eating there you are giving them money that they will in turn donate to organizations that actively work to deny rights to LGBT people and you eat there anyway, then you can claim to not be a homophobe all you want, but the fact is that you are.

SA

I didn't see the above reply when I made the comment, but yes. What they said.

okay, so apparently it's not okay to eat at places where their money funds organizations that want to oppress gay people but it's totally okay to go to the hundreds of other businesses that are well known to get their goods by fucking over people in other countries by pretty much using them as slave labor. I mean seriously, pick a company.

I mean, you know, gotta have them nikes right?

ayrt

I know that, and that's a little bit different. I try as much as I can to avoid that by shopping at local business that make their own products but just living in the modern world makes it impossible to avoid *completely*. Fast food is an entirely different matter. You do not need fast food to live. If for some reason CFA was the only food available then that would be a completely different situation but when there are many, many other options? No.

I get that and I guess it isn't really about Chick-Fil-A. It's more that it's something that she knows really upsets me and bothers me and she doesn't care.

I can tell you this much: screaming at her every time she eats a chicken sandwich is not going to convince her of anything.

and not everyone who works there is homophobic either. hell, some of them are gay too. not their fault the head honchos are dicks and jobs are difficult to come by. it's hard when you have the choice between making a statement by quitting your job and...well, starving.

I don't think that. I don't judge employees for working there because it's a job and people need to live. Same if for some reason their food was all that was available. When it's a matter of surviving, it's a different situation.

But if you have a job and money and lots of choices about where to eat and where you spend your money, and you still choose CFA, I think you at least accept homophobia. I just don't see how saying that someone who knowingly gives money to an organization that thinks gay people should be PUT TO DEATH is homophobic is at all unreasonable.

I agree. Just let this go. You can hardly dictate where other people go to eat.

My daughter is a vegan and always glares at me when I cook meat, but does that stop me from doing it? Nope. She has to sit down on the table with a heaping plate of smoked turkey and deal with it.

Not the same thing, obviously, but I'm just saying that your mother is probably not going to change her mind about this.

I'm a huge supporter of LGBTQ rights myself but I still shop at wal-mart. I'm hardly about to drive miles into town to get what I need walmart is right there.

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